Advice for new hattrick players

[revsfan21]

Oh crap. I just scwrewed up really bad. I accidentally bought this player for
170002$.Johan Lewling (38182458)
18 years, inadequate form, healthy
A controversial person who is balanced and righteous.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.

Nationality: Sverige
Total Skill Index (TSI): 370
Wage: 696 US$/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: revsfan21
Warnings: 0


Stamina: weak Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: passable Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: poor
My economy is at -51,734. How much should i sell this guy for??!?!??!

[puddleduck]

I accidentally bought this player for
170002$

Ouch. But not the end of the world. I looked at your team and it looks like you've been doing the right things: you got a passable trainer and bought trainies.

So this hurts for now ... but a season or two done the road when you're selling your trainies this hit won't seem like much compared to the riches you'll be pulling in.

In the short term you want to make sure you don't go too far into debt: sell an older solid player if you can. That should take care of the short term. And cut your youth squad investement ... its just a gamble anyway.

In the long run: Stick to your training and you'll be fine.

[Ikari]

I get $4 million, minimum, for selling a keeper trainee after two seasons of training.
Can I ask what age and stats you buy the keepers? And what stats they tend to have when they're sold?

[Craig P]

Can I ask what age and stats you buy the keepers? And what stats they tend to have when they're sold?My last two trainees have been 18/mid-solids (bought for $180k and $275k, respectively, paying more for the latter because I wanted a USA player). I can get them to magnificent or world class in two seasons with a solid coach. Magnificent used to go for ~4.5 million US$, for a take-home of ~4 million, but that may have gone down of late.

If I could get 18 or 19 year old formidable-outstanding keepers, I could get an even better rate of income, since previous training would have already burned the inefficiencies bridging from solid to formidable.

[Danks81]

since previous training would have already burned the inefficiencies bridging from solid to formidable.
What do you mean by this?

[Ikari]

I'd assume the amount of time it takes to get a keeper from solid -> excellent -> formidable is quite a long time.

I know I have two keepers that should pop to excellent within the next 4-5 games, and I do wonder what the inefficiency is between now and payd--...er..I mean formidable. :D

[Helghallen]

I'd assume the amount of time it takes to get a keeper from solid -> excellent -> formidable is quite a long time.

I know I have two keepers that should pop to excellent within the next 4-5 games, and I do wonder what the inefficiency is between now and payd--...er..I mean formidable. :D
Craig could answer training times for keepers better than I could but assuming solid coach, 4-5 weeks and 17 years old. Think 5 -6 weeks for payday, I mean formidable :) And an additional week for each level of coach below solid.

[Helghallen]

What do you mean by this?
Basically what he means, I think, is this.

Buying a solid keeper for, for example, 200K and selling at 1 mil for formidable in 10 weeks. Profit=800K.

Buy a formidable keeper at 1 mil, train for 10 weeks to brilliant and sell for 4 million. Profit=3 mil.

The numbers are my examples. I don't really have that good a grasp of keeper selling prices but the concept stands. Starting with a higher ability score will result in a higher profit for the same length of time.

[Craig P]

Basically what he means, I think, is this.

Buying a solid keeper for, for example, 200K and selling at 1 mil for formidable in 10 weeks. Profit=800K.

Buy a formidable keeper at 1 mil, train for 10 weeks to brilliant and sell for 4 million. Profit=3 mil.

The numbers are my examples. I don't really have that good a grasp of keeper selling prices but the concept stands. Starting with a higher ability score will result in a higher profit for the same length of time.Yes, that's exactly the idea. Suppose you start with a passable (not high), the price progression goes something like this (possibly a bit down right now):

passable = 50k
solid = 180k
excellent = 600k
formidable = 1.4M
outstanding = 2.5M
brilliant = 3.5M
magnificent = 4.5M
(and so on)

It takes the same amount of time to train from solid to excellent as it does from formidable to outstanding, but you get 420k payoff for the former and ~1 million payoff for the latter. Consequently, if you're willing to invest more in your trainees, you get more income by starting at a higher level.

The opportunity cost for starting with higher-level trainees is that you tie up money that could be used to improve your club (providing more wins and thus more crowd revenue). Plus, those trainees may not be all that easy to find.

[Lone Star]

Magnificent used to go for ~4.5 million US$, for a take-home of ~4 million, but that may have gone down of late.
I went shopping over the weekend, and bought a 20 yo World Class keeper for $4.5 million. It amazed me since I ended up paying over $6 million for only a Magnificent keeper 5-6 seasons ago. And he was really the only one out there to choose from. The other day there were tons of upper echelon keepers out there.

Have the ranks of keeper trainers swelled over the past few seasons?


Panther City FC
II.3 - USA

[Ikari]

Coaching Change?

45 years, wretched form, healthy
A passable trainer who is fond of attacking
A pleasant guy who is fiery and upright.
Has solid experience and wretched leadership abilities.

I can only afford to puchase a poor leadership coach with passable training. Should I wait for my current guy to drop to disasterous leadership before I buy, or go for a new guy right now?

[ur_land]

Do you need the leadership for your series soon? With the guy you have now, any pics aren't relly going to help your TS. If you're not planning on doing a lot of picing, then stick with him and use the money elsewhere/save up to buy a solid/solid coach.

[Craig P]

I went shopping over the weekend, and bought a 20 yo World Class keeper for $4.5 million. It amazed me since I ended up paying over $6 million for only a Magnificent keeper 5-6 seasons ago. And he was really the only one out there to choose from. The other day there were tons of upper echelon keepers out there.

Have the ranks of keeper trainers swelled over the past few seasons?Wow. I really don't think the ranks of keeper trainers have swelled that significantly. I can think of a couple of possibilities that might explain the pricing. First, the general collapse in market prices (and since it's occurring across most primary skills, it's not as big of an issue as it might seem). Second, if there was a significant uptick in keeper trainers a season or two ago, we may be seeing a little bit of market saturation around the magnificent to world class range with demand edging up into even more skilled players.

I have no intention of letting my current world class trainee go for as little as $4.5 million, but since I'm already looking at holding onto him for another pop (unless I pull a 17/solid), that problem may be resolved by selling him at the next level (titanic?).

[Pattrick]

It must have something to do with the statement made by the HT's that keepers' influence on defence will slightly (very slightly) decrease. Many people must have overreacted to that, resulting in a decline in keeper prices.

When I read that statement, it really pissed me off. I just bought a formidable keeper for $1.4 mil (which was actually cheap back then), who's current worth is about $1 or $1.2 mil...

[KDdidit]

Played a friendly yesterday and went from winning 5-0 to losing 5-6. Is there anything I can gather from that other that stamina is probably an issue? I just came off of a stamina training session too. Weird

[Helghallen]

Played a friendly yesterday and went from winning 5-0 to losing 5-6. Is there anything I can gather from that other that stamina is probably an issue? I just came off of a stamina training session too. Weird
The other team could have been much better. Do you have a match id?

[KDdidit]

The other team could have been much better. Do you have a match id?

Didn't seem better, some div VIII spanish team. 5-0 after 54 minutes and then the wheels fell off.


29756203 was the match ID

[Helghallen]

I think the big thing to notice was the 8% swing in possession. That means your stamina was less than his. From your post, I'm guessing you already knew that.

One thing I did notice is a huge difference in your central defense and his central attack. 3 of his goals came from the center and one was an inexperience event. The others came in from the right. He just some better strikers. I wouldn't worry about it. It was only a friendly.

[KDdidit]

I think the big thing to notice was the 8% swing in possession. That means your stamina was less than his. From your post, I'm guessing you already knew that.

One thing I did notice is a huge difference in your central defense and his central attack. 3 of his goals came from the center and one was an inexperience event. The others came in from the right. He just some better strikers. I wouldn't worry about it. It was only a friendly.No biggie, just seemed like it played out in an odd way and that's why I asked about it

[Pattrick]

You can't always draw conlcusions from this kind of results.

The Hattrick matchengine might work a little different than you think. Fifteen minutes before the match starts, the outcome is calculated using the teams' ratings. After that, the goals are awarded randomly to their respective minutes.
In other words: it could just as well have been 0-6 after 45 minutes, after which you'd have come back to 5-6 :)