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PezJunkie
18 Oct 2004, 05:22 PM
Can a player play in both a friendly during the middle of the week AND the weekend game?

Yes... although there's no advantage to it. You increase the risk of injury (only because he's played 90 minutes in which to get hurt). The player doesn't recieve any extra training because of it. Also keep in mind that the player will only recieve training for the last position he played.

Example: Player A plays as a forward in Sunday's league match, and then as a Inner Midfielder for Wednesday's friendly. Because training in the US happens on Thursday night, he only gets training as an IM. (The last position he played.)

bigbrooklynlou
18 Oct 2004, 05:25 PM
TSI is the total skill index. It's based on the skills that the player has. The higher the skills, the higher the TSI. Some skills have a larger impact on TSI - Goalkeeping especially. An inadequate GK will have a TSI over 1000 while a player whose best skill is inadequate passing will have a very low TSI. As you train your players, their TSI will increase as the skills improve.

I would guess that your "indentical 17 year olds" are a long way from being identical.

I grok it now. I was under the impression that the TSI is some constant that is not affected by training.

Lone Star
18 Oct 2004, 06:13 PM
I grok it now. I was under the impression that the TSI is some constant that is not affected by training.
Form also affects TSI, so it can flucuate from week to week. I train playmaking, and if a trainee has a form hit his TSI can drop even with training.

This is only the second season of TSI. It used to be a monetary value of the player, but HT changed it since too many newbies were getting burned on the transfer market (the value given didn't mean that's the amount he was worth on the market). Personally I think it was a bad choice, getting burned on the transfer market is a right of passage of every HT owner.........


Panther City FC
II.3 - USA

Stogey23
18 Oct 2004, 06:43 PM
Example: Player A plays as a forward in Sunday's league match, and then as a Inner Midfielder for Wednesday's friendly. Because training in the US happens on Thursday night, he only gets training as an IM. (The last position he played.)

Here's an example question for you:

Player A plays in the league game as an innermidfielder. He comes on as a sub forward in the midweek friendly Does that subsitute appearance cancel out his IM appearance?

Helghallen
18 Oct 2004, 06:45 PM
Here's an example question for you:

Player A plays in the league game as an innermidfielder. He comes on as a sub forward in the midweek friendly Does that subsitute appearance cancel out his IM appearance?
Yes. He will not be trained that week.

jstoen
18 Oct 2004, 06:58 PM
Yes. He will not be trained that week.


I thought he would still get trrained just trained as a forward would for that week. So if you were training playmaking he would get next to nothing, but if you were training scoring he would get the full scoring training.

kuhnscoot
18 Oct 2004, 07:05 PM
Somebody else may be able to tell you for sure, but I think the reserve kit gets used if you're the visiting team and your match kit is too similar to the home team's kit. Not sure how it determines what constitutes similar kits, but I have had matches where my reserve kit was used.

You are correct, you'll wear your reserve kit if you conflict with the kit of the other team.

kuhnscoot
18 Oct 2004, 07:07 PM
I thought he would still get trrained just trained as a forward would for that week. So if you were training playmaking he would get next to nothing, but if you were training scoring he would get the full scoring training.

That is correct, he'll get the training in the position that he played in last if you are training that particular position. (or at least I'm pretty sure that is what you are talking about, I only skimmed the last page of replies. LOL)

Stogey23
18 Oct 2004, 07:28 PM
Thanks guys. That helps a lot, now I will never have trainees as subs.

jstoen
18 Oct 2004, 07:55 PM
Thanks guys. That helps a lot, now I will never have trainees as subs.

Well yo can use them as subs just only sub them in the position you are training them in. If you train wingers have 1 of your trainees as the sub winger but not sub forward. Unless you are training Stamina or Set pieces in which case sub them anywhere you want as the whole team gets trained anyway even your coach! If for some reason you are short a sub put your coach in as the sub.

Craig P
18 Oct 2004, 08:06 PM
Quick question. At this point, I have 17 players. How many can I have on the team? What is optimal for training purposes?Well, you probably don't want more than 22 (possibly an extra one to cover injuries), because you won't be able to play them. And you won't want fewer than 16 (plus the complement of trainees), because you want to be able to have a full set of subs. Somewhere in that range lies the happy medium. If you're like me, you'll find that your numbers creep up toward 22 (plus my team leader(s)) as your marginal players get replaced in the lineup and you can't bear to fire them. :p

Craig P
18 Oct 2004, 08:07 PM
Somebody else may be able to tell you for sure, but I think the reserve kit gets used if you're the visiting team and your match kit is too similar to the home team's kit. Not sure how it determines what constitutes similar kits, but I have had matches where my reserve kit was used.Similar = same primary shirt color.

Craig P
18 Oct 2004, 08:10 PM
Cool. and last but not least. what exactly does the TSI number represent?A "total" evaluation of all of the player's skills (including ones that may not be important to his performance in his primary position). It's believed to multiply (i.e. triple the level of two skills leads to nine times the TSI).

Why are high TSI players worth so much more than low TSI players even they they mahe similar characteristics?If the characteristics are truly similar, than the higher TSI player is probably not worth that much more. He may be worth a bit because people figure that higher TSI means that he's higher in the important skills, even if it doesn't amount to a full level (e.g. solid keepers run from ~3000 TSI to ~4500 TSI). This is very tough to track for non-keepers, because all the skills go into TSI; I don't pay a whole lot of attention when I'm buying non-keepers for that reason.

Craig P
18 Oct 2004, 08:12 PM
Yes... although there's no advantage to it.Make that a marginal advantage -- experience, five international friendlies add up to one league match.

Craig P
18 Oct 2004, 08:14 PM
Yes. He will not be trained that week.In playmaking, that is. He would be trained in scoring. :p

That's why people tend to be very judicious about setting subs during friendlies.

Craig P
18 Oct 2004, 08:16 PM
Well yo can use them as subs just only sub them in the position you are training them in. If you train wingers have 1 of your trainees as the sub winger but not sub forward.If you have multiple injuries at another position, this could lead to your winger trainee getting subbed in for the sub at another position. It's better to list no trainees at field positions and your coach at keeper, then you don't run that risk.

Ikari
18 Oct 2004, 08:35 PM
Is there a way to find out how close a player is to popping for experience or leadership?

Craig P
18 Oct 2004, 08:44 PM
Leadership doesn't change (except go down for coaches).

For experience, you can guess at it by checking the cost to turn him into a coach, and comparing with the price range at e.g. Hattrix files.

Ikari
18 Oct 2004, 08:55 PM
So the only way to get players with better leadership is buying them or luck out with a youth pull? Ouch. I was hoping Team Captain might help.

Craig P
18 Oct 2004, 09:36 PM
So the only way to get players with better leadership is buying them or luck out with a youth pull? Ouch. I was hoping Team Captain might help.That's right. Sorry. :(