BS Cup Season 22

[phillips10]

HEY! sorry guys I am DC Untied!

haha, i used alot of reserves actually, a reserve keeper, midi, central defender, and i went back to using 3-4-3 in stead of 3-5-2 or 442 which i had started using, so that i could use a trainee or two.... it seems i still overdid it though :( 6-0 ha, umm, i think its time for me to buy more players when i get out of the hole! im 240k right now :blush:
i need to upgrade my midfield...

just to add, yeah i only have 17 players so its kind of hard to use all reserves, but i tried to put them in key roles

so I got slammed 6-0 by dcu and I'm not one for sour grapes...
but the reason I was into the BS cup was I thought it was a reserve cup and we were posting our starters as proof. twice now I've play guys with 4-6 usual starters....perhaps we shouldn't have let teams in without a 22 player roster.

I'll stick it out to the end and maybe go 0-6 with my crappy reserve team, remembering the goal is training not w/l's....

[AAGunner3]

Who am i supposed to play next?
Flatirons again, swapping home/away.

[greatscott]

Yeah scott, we knew you'd have trouble with the limited roster you have know, my main complanit is that Norge has 21 players on his roster and still started 6 first teamers. I had also thought that we decided that 5 was the max first teamers you could field, unless, like your case, you didn't have enough players to do that.

I mean if I lose my appeal now, I won't be as upset as I would have when I wrote the original message, as for those of you that watched the matches, I lost in PK's so that is 1 point for me at least if I lose the appeal. I would just like everyone's opinion on the situation and maybe a consenus on whether or not anything should happen to the result. I am throwing myself at the mercy of the hattrick council for the bs cup, whcih I assume is all the other members of the cup except for me and Norge. So I guess maybe a consenus vote as to which side you are on, whether he was in the wrong or not.

Actually another opinion may be, since Scouser and Panatha didn't play last week, you could always make the decision to have us replay it. Just giving some options here. :)

haha
yeah, i am not trying to get wins, i mean these are friendlies.. but i am buying some more dudes pretty soon to add to my lineup once i have the $$ but i went through a pretty bad debt run and had to sell alot of players
but like i said i tried to cut the emphasis i had on the starters which i HAD to use, by playing a 3-4-3 and playing attack through middle, and my middle was reserves, and i played a trainee forward, reserve central defender and reserve keeper
ill post my lineups when i get home

[kuhnscoot]

I propose this. Since 4 points were given out for that game 3 for the win and 1 for the PK loss how about we split them evenly, each team getting two. This would be fair I think.

I'd personally go with this idea, I think it's the fairest to both me and Norge, any objects to this idea, if not, does someone, maybe ur_land, since he is in charge of the tournament, wanna make a final decision on it??

and for schedule, check my ht-arena site, it has all the schedules
http://www.ht-arena.com/raytownrangers82/?page=Big%20Soccer%20Cup

Phillips10, I feel your pain about the 4-6 starters, but like you said, they didn't have full squads. My beef with what Norge did, was the fact that he DID have enough to field almost a full team, he would have had 2 first teamers on as he has 20 players. The problem with only allowing teams with 22 players, is that a lot of the teams here aren't caring 22 players to save money(ie DC Untied), most of the time, you only need your trainees, plus replacements at every position. So that would mean the minimum you could carry is 16 players if you train keeper. I personally carry 22 players just because it's fun for me to play an entire second team in friendlies.

By the way ur_land, how does the knock out round go again? Are all of us seeded and then play knock out or is it only top two? I can't remember and I'm too lazy wade through the main hattrick thread. Having a whole forum for this has spoiled me. :)

[Helghallen]

so I got slammed 6-0 by dcu and I'm not one for sour grapes...
but the reason I was into the BS cup was I thought it was a reserve cup and we were posting our starters as proof. twice now I've play guys with 4-6 usual starters....perhaps we shouldn't have let teams in without a 22 player roster.

I'll stick it out to the end and maybe go 0-6 with my crappy reserve team, remembering the goal is training not w/l's....

I did have had 3 starters playing, but you did get my trainees. I'm short a forward, keeper and defender.

[Helghallen]

I went skimming through the big thread and found the rules as posted by ur_land.

Here are the long awaited group pairings for the bigsoccer cup. The numbers preceeding each team indicate the seeding. Since we have 11 teams, the grouping was a little awkward, but each group has the same average seed number.

Group play will consist of a home-and-home mini-league (6 games). The top two teams from each group, as well as the best two third place teams will advance to the knockout round (the remaining 3rd and 4th place teams will have the option of forming a consolation bracket, if wished).

All games will be played under cup rules.

Wins will be worth 2 points, PK losses (i.e., ties after 90 minutes) worth 1 point, losses worth 0 points.
Points will be used to reseed teams for the purposes of the knockout bracket. The knockout bracket will be home and home, except for the final and 3rd place games, which will be held at the lower seed's stadium.

In the case of ties within a group, the tiebreakers will be (in order) goals scored, goal differential, fewest disciplinary points, and average home attendance. In the unlikely event that there is still a tie, then it will be settled by the largest bribe to the tournament administrator.

Also, since this is a friendly/ reserve cup, your starting lineup should be mostly reserve players. Each team should post their starting lineups (just names, no positions necessary, unless you wat to) to the board. Only four players from your starters will be allowed to play in cup games. If you have 17 or fewer players (DC Untied) you will be allowed to add additional starters to be able to field a full team, but you will be ridiculed and told to go buy a cheap $1000 28-year old passable IM. Starters can be named as subs.

The only things i'd point out are 2 points for a win (Both Kuhnscoot and I have been updating the results on our web pages using 3) and you are allowed up to 4 league starters in the games.

[ur_land]

Damn--not following my own rules-- I hate when that happens.

So--aftger a period of recusal, I'm going to pull a Scalia and make a final pronouncement. I don't think what Norge and I did was done with malicious intent, so only one point should be deducted from our point standings and one point added to Deuteroximide and Raytown.

When I first did the "4 starters" rule, I thought it would be 4 "typical" starters. However, I see that not everyone was on my wavelength, and that figuring out someone's typical starters is too labor intensive.

So I hereby announce a rule change:

1. Only 4 starters from the previous Sunday's league game can play in the BS cup game the following Wed.

2. The only exceptions to this is if your roster is too small via injuries, chapness, or overall training plan (this rule will be known as the "DC Untied exception").

3. EACH SUNDAY, one of us will start a "My starters for week X" thread after our League games have started (so out opponents can't snoop out our strategies here). These posts will serve as notification of the starting lineups for that week. Lineups must be posted no later than Tuesday night (and if they're posted later than Monday, you should expect some good-natured insults and general cat-calling). This will add more threads ot our forum, but that's why we have the forum in the first place, and the threads will gradually disappear from sight.

4. FROM NOW ON, if you start in your BS cup game more than 4 players that played in your league game you will forfeit the game, and you opponent will be awarded 2 points and a scoreline of 5-0, unless you qualify for the exception described in item (2).

5. This rule may be changed upon feedback from the BS hattrick community. All appeals will be heard and handled by me (yay for real ultimate POWER!), with the advice of the community. In case I screw up again, appeals regarding me will be handeled by appointing a temporary BS cup dictator for life.

How's that look?

[ArsenalTexan3]

Challenged Riverhawks, just waiting for his acceptence.

[kopiteinkc]

Damn--not following my own rules-- I hate when that happens.

5. This rule may be changed upon feedback from the BS hattrick community. All appeals will be heard and handled by me (yay for real ultimate POWER!), with the advice of the community. In case I screw up again, appeals regarding me will be handeled by appointing a temporary BS cup dictator for life.

How's that look?

Sounds good to me.

Here is how I keep to 4 starters and keep training. I train playmaking, all 5 of my starting midfield switch with my reserves. That means I get my usual batch of 10 middies trained.

My gk switches with a back up, one of my forwards switches with a back up. My three defenders and one forward are starters in both league and BS Cup matches.

[kopiteinkc]

PS, Mark are you playing Spiro this week? If so then tell me so I can get a friendly. in thanks.

Yes and it has been arranged, no screw ups from me this week. :)

[phillips10]

Challenged Riverhawks, just waiting for his acceptence.

going to HT to accept now....

ur-land...I'm glad you laid out that rule, I think that works wellm using a MAX 4 guys from the previous league match...

I'd propose for next season a true "reserve" cup where you can use 2 max from your league games...

[kuhnscoot]

Yes and it has been arranged, no screw ups from me this week. :)


Ok thanks, so now I need to go update my records on the BS Cup page that shows 3 points.

so ur_land, does that mean that you and Norge only get 1 point for that win last week, and me and Deuteroximide get 1 point too? That's what I am thinking you are saying, so that's what I'll do, if that's wrong tell me.:)

[Helghallen]

Have challenged untied, waiting for acceptance. So where do we stand on the whole points/standings issue?

[ur_land]

so ur_land, does that mean that you and Norge only get 1 point for that win last week, and me and Deuteroximide get 1 point too? That's what I am thinking you are saying, so that's what I'll do, if that's wrong tell me.:)

That's what I'm saying. It's as if we tied--put it down as a one-time-only decision by the FA......(or is that HA?)

[kuhnscoot]

Got it down, check my site to see what I've done, I just put a star next to both games and have an explanation at the bottom of the schedule

[greatscott]

Have challenged untied, waiting for acceptance. So where do we stand on the whole points/standings issue?

done!
how many supporters do you have?

[Helghallen]

done!
how many supporters do you have?

631 supporters

[Spiro_In_San_Jose]

I have 677. :\

[Helghallen]

I have 677. :\

I would have more, but lost 10% after relegation to VI. :( I am slowly building them back up. My series is really helping along in this regard because of the bots I am competing against.

[kuhnscoot]

I'm up over 1100 now. A six game winning streak end of last season and beginning of this one helped me out a lot. In the past 1 and a half seasons, I've only lost like 4 supporters, and that was after getting shut out at home a few weeks ago to the best team in the league the first time he played his A-team in league.