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Andrés_
05 May 2009, 03:44 AM
Well as you may know there's a contract with TSC until the season 2013/14 for the TV rights of the 1st and 2nd division(I have no idea how it works with the 3rd division), it's widely known that the clubs are getting robbed big time, in top of that since September of last year TSC has been trying to renovate this contract, though they haven't been succesfull. However is there any hope for a change? Well, yes there is...

Those who're in Argentina or who follow argentine football and argentine events in general may know that the football TV rights talk is very much a taboo and that currently there's a law that will go the congress in June regarding audivisual services(Ley de servicios audiovisuales) which the mainsteam media tries to not talk about too much it, or if they talk about it they don't say anything of what's with it or try to avoid giving any detail about it, for example it states that the standard for digital TV in Argentina will be ISDB-T, the brazilian norm with japanese technology which would allow HD emissions originated from Argentina, but nevermind that is going to something not related to football.

Anyway some months ago i came up to this article, however what it says isn't widely known, so i decided that i'll do my part(regardless of how little it could be), but still i think it's something you MUST read: http://criticadigital.com/impresa/index.php?secc=nota&nid=20908

Shocking, huh? So yeah argentine football generates around 9.3 billion pesos on TV rights, that's around 2.5 billion dollars, figure how the clubs are getting robbed there with just 230 million pesos for the 40 clubs of the first and second division.

Now here's the interesting part:

El Gobierno ya demostró que le presta atención al asunto. Desde el año pasado puso en marcha lo que consideran una prueba piloto: Canal 7 televisa los partidos del viernes y se prepara para hacer lo mismo con el Nacional B. El rating de entre 7 y 8 puntos es alto para la emisora oficial. Los habitués de la residencia de Olivos prometen como anzuelo que el 50 por ciento de lo que se recaude será destinado a las menguadas arcas de los clubes de fútbol.It's true, starting this season the first divison match played on Fridays at 9:30pm is aired on Canal 7, same with the second division match on Saturdays at 6:00pm. But leaving aside that and doing some calcs... Assuming that the numbers stay the same(if they don't increase because we're talking about open TV here, yes cable too spreaded through Argentina but it has its limitations, differently from satelite, though there's only one satelite provider in Argentina, DirecTV, and also pressuming that in a near future digital TV would be more wide) so, they'd keep 1.25 billion dollars and the clubs would get the same amount(Should it be more than 50%? Should it be less? Debatable but for now let's pressume if it's like that), so if it's shared in the same proportion between the two divisions, if each club got the same amount of money more or less we could conclude that... Each 2nd division club would be getting 15 million dollars, and each 1st division club would be getting 47.5 million dollars on just TV rights!:eek:

En Europa también hay hinchas.

Para tener una dimensión acerca de la desproporción entre el dinero que el negocio del fútbol televisado genera y la fracción que reciben los clubes, sólo hay que comparar números. Los clubes de Primera A y del Nacional B reciben hoy 230 millones de pesos por año: 180 para la A y 50 para el Nacional. El presidente de un club que pidió no ser identificado le contó a Crítica de la Argentina que, en una reunión del Cómite Ejecutivo de la AFA de 2008, el entonces presidente de Boca Juniors, Pedro Pompilio, dio una cifra que quedó grabada para siempre en el grupo de dirigentes de Primera A que lo escuchaba. “En Europa hay tres millones de personas que pagan tres euros por partido. Son 9 millones de euros que recauda TSC sólo por un partido”.Well, the potential of this is interesting too. Unclear what's the total from that but it's probably included in the 9.3 billion pesos sum. So pressuming they get 9 million euros for each match, there're 380 matches per season(this probably talks about just first division matches and not all the 380 matches per season may generate interest, possibly just 1/4 of them at best but just to see its potential). So if for each match they get 9 million euros, for the 380 matches they'd be getting... 3.4 billion euros.:eek:

msi2
05 May 2009, 05:12 AM
9.3bn/year of course.

EDIT:

So much money... :o

Andrés_
05 Aug 2009, 02:33 AM
Hey i've been a bit busy lately so i've not been posting much.

Anyway, unfortunately the LSCD isn't in the congress' agenda for now(which should've been passed or reformed by now). But nevermind that now something concerning the TV rights is happening as of now.

As you may know the season kick-off could be delayed 'cuz of certain problems concerning clubs and debts. Yeah not much new about that since football been played even with clubs in debt or even in bankruptcy, but now AFA seems to be look towards TV. Until like last week there were talks that AFA wanted the state to do something about bwin because in theory the clubs aren't seeing any cent from that, instead of pressing the state with something as delicate as gambling why not press them about the LSCD after all that would serve a better purpose than just help football, but nevermind. While AFA can't do much about bwin because it's beyond their power now they're aiming towards TV rights... About time? Well better late than never i guess. Well initially "the holders of TV rights" offered AFA enough money so clubs can pay off the their debts, but AFA refused they want more the "percentage the clubs deserve..." which apparently said people consider outrageous...

As i said in the first post, if the revenue is 9.3 billion pesos and the clubs are getting just 230 million it means that the clubs are getting a bit less than the 2.5%! Talk about robbing!:mad:

However, could it be that finally AFA is doing anything right?:eek:
Got to see what happens with this.

msi2
30 Oct 2009, 04:17 PM
More info:

http://www.clarin.com/diario/2009/10/30/deportes/d-02030156.htm

"Aseguran que les garantizarán los 600 millones a la AFA. Hay clubes que quieren una TV propia.

Apenas 2 minutos y 10 segundos demoró el ministro Aníbal Fernández en admitir que el fútbol gratis para todos dejará de serlo. En el programa A Dos Voces, de TN, Fernández explicó que "estamos muy cerquita de terminar esta semana" con la elaboración de los pliegos para el llamado a licitación. Fue enfático cuando dijo que "nuestro objetivo es fútbol. ¡El fútbol! Que lo vean todos, que todo el mundo pueda ver el futbol".

El proyecto, señaló, es que los oferentes garanticen los 600 millones de pesos anuales a la AFA y que además quede dinero para proyectar al deporte olímpico. En la pomposa presentación del vínculo entre el gobierno de Cristina Fernández y la AFA en Ezeiza, la presidenta había marcado que si quedaban ganancias de la comercialización una parte sería para el desarrollo del deporte olímpico. Se estima que el gobierno espera recaudar 800 millones de pesos.

Fernández no dio precisiones sobre cuándo se llamará a licitación. La idea original era sostener el deficitario negocio hasta después del Mundial de Sudáfrica pero en los últimas días circuló la versión de que la licitación podría ser a fin de año. También existe la posibilidad de que el Gobierno reserve algunos partidos para la pantalla de Canal 7. Como fuere, el paso a manos privadas de los 10 partidos de Primera o buena parte de ellos, significa que tarde o temprano se tendrá que pagar por ver fútbol. Es inexorable porque el negocio, como está planteado, no cierra. El propio ministro admitió que recién "en el último partido" (quiso decir última fecha) se empezó a vender publicidad. Cualquier observador comprobará que es abrumadora la publicidad oficial en la pantalla de Canal 7. El slogan "Fútbol para Todos" suena bonito, pero dura poco.

Consultados cuatro dirigentes de peso en la AFA dijeron desconocer el proyecto del gobierno aunque marcaron que si se respetan los términos actuales, es decir los 600 millones de pesos anuales, no habría oposición. En cambio, Boca y River estudian el camino legal para poder comercializar por cuenta propia los partidos de sus equipos. En realidad, la mayoría de los clubes quisieran tener esa posibilidad pero sus dirigentes saben que el mercado no se extenderá más allá de los dos clubes grandes.

Cada vez que se habla de licitación en la Argentina, la sospecha es inevitable. Ya se menciona que la productora La Corte, de los hermanos Daniel y Pablo Monzoncillo, con fuertes lazos con el kirchnerismo, se interesará por los pliegos. Hace un tiempo, un rumor indicaba que Tenfield, la empresa del contratista uruguayo Paco Casal de la que es socio Enzo Francescoli podría desembarcar en el fútbol argentino. Capitales ingleses y holandeses que habrían tenido charlas preliminares con Boca y River por los partidos de estos clubes y la española Mediapro (le ganó la puja al Grupo Prisa en el fútbol español), son, hasta ahora, los otros nombres en danza."

vipnerd
30 Oct 2009, 05:07 PM
More info:

http://www.clarin.com/diario/2009/10/30/deportes/d-02030156.htm

What they will put for grabs for private hands is the non-conventional forms like Mobile streaming, HD broadcasting, advertising, etc.

If there is a new gov't in 2 years, they could sell regular broadcasting to the private sector again (could be unpopular by then), as the gov't has the rights for the next 10 years.

From today's VcN:
http://vipfootball.podomatic.com/player/web/2009-10-30T14_03_00-07_00



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Andrés_
31 Oct 2009, 02:05 AM
In reality the law i was talking about was approved and so by law the conventional rights can't be sold to non-open TV. Then again got to see what Anibal Fernández truely said, Clarín and TN are somewhat bogus for interpretations on sayings, today in TN it said something totally different, though they never repeated it again.

EDIT: Now that i think of it... in the japanese standard(which Argentina adopted) Mobile TV isn't charged as an extra service(differently from like the european standard, which in Argentina was being pushed by Nokia). And if like Canal 7 gets a HD version there's no need to sell it to somebody else(after all such doesn't exist in Argentina, yet). In reality the only thing interesting is the advertisements thing.

EDIT 2: Since airing of the matches outside Argentina is still very much the same than it was before, maybe that'll be up for grabs?