European Qualification through Cups

[Duck Manson]

OK I have a question. Top four gets CL qualification, but how does the spread on the UEFA Cup work? Winner of the FA Cup gets UEFA spot. What about the League Cup? The team that wins the FA cup is top four then the finalist gets UEFA Cup right? Can anyone do a run down on this please. Or provide a link with the different tiebreakers.

[mjspurs83]

OK I have a question. Top four gets CL qualification, but how does the spread on the UEFA Cup work? Winner of the FA Cup gets UEFA spot. What about the League Cup? The team that wins the FA cup is top four then the finalist gets UEFA Cup right? Can anyone do a run down on this please. Or provide a link with the different tiebreakers.

Good question, will just 7 place give UEFA this season or both 7 and 8 since both domestic cups is won by teams that has allready qualified for europe?

[Lusankya]

England only has 7 spots, so team No. 8 in the league doesn't get a spot.

N1-N3: CLGS
N4: CLPO
FACW: ELPO
N5: ELPO
LCW: ELQ3




If FACW is already qualified for CL the runner-up will get a spot in the EL (but always the worst one!). If the runner-up is also already qualified for CL or EL, the spot (still the worst!) goes to the next placed team, which doesn't already have a spot, in the league.

If the LCW is already qualified for Europe (because every spot beside the possible spot of the FA Cup RU is better than the LC spot), the spot goes to the league.


Scenario1:

N1 wins Fa Cup, N8 is runner up
N8 wins league cup

So N8 is qualified "two times" for Europe. FA Cup RU spot is the worst so they participate because of their leage cup succes.

In this case the following teams would particpate in Europe:

N1-N4: CL
N5: ELPO (highest spot in EL)
N8: ELPO (as league cup winner)
N6: ELQ3 (because the FA Cup RU spot (which is always the worst spot) is distributed in the league)

Scenario 2:

N1 wins FA Cup, N5 is RU
N18 wins league cup

N1-N4: CL
N5: ELPO (highest spot, they don't need the FA Cup RU spot, because the 5th rank provides them with a better spot)
N18: ELPO (LCW)
N6: ELQ3

Scenario 3:

N5 wins FA Cup, N7 is RU
N18 wins LC

N1-N4: CL
N5: ELPO (as Cup winner, because Cup winners always get the highest EL spots!)
N6: ELPO (because N5 doesn't need its spot through the 5th place, as the FA Cup provides them with a "better" spot)
N7: nothing
N18: ELQ3 (as LCW, because if there is no FACup RU spot, the LCW gets the worst spot)

Scenario 4:

N5 wins Fa Cup
N5 wins Leage Cup

N5 will play in Europe as the cup winner, league cup and N5 spot are not used, so N6 and N7 will play in Europe, too.


Edit: please see my next post for a correction.

[Duck Manson]

Thanks!

[Lusankya]

A correction for scenario 1&2.

I think LCW would start in ELQ3 and N6 in ELPO.

If the winner of the domestic cup qualifies for the UEFA Champions League, the domestic cup runner-up qualifies for the UEFA Europa League at the
stage initially reserved for the lowest ranking top domestic league
representative (or the winner of another official domestic competition
specified in paragraph 2.03). Should both the winner and the runner-up of the domestic cup qualify for the UEFA Champions League, the association concerned may enter for the UEFA Europa League the club which finishes
the top domestic league immediately below the other club or clubs which
qualify for the UEFA Europa League. In both cases, the access stage initially reserved for the domestic cup winner is reserved for the club which finishes the domestic league in the highest position out of all the clubs which qualify for the UEFA Europa League from the association concerned (see Annex Ia). Each representative of the domestic league will then enter the competition at the stage initially reserved for the domestic league representative ranked immediately above it.


So apparently the League Cup winner will only starts in ELPO, if the loser of the Fa Cup Final gets and needs the spot.

[stripthem]

dfgh

[SJJ]

I don't know how much time I spent looking at the UCL/Ucup rules last year, trying to figure out these scenarios of teams qualifying multiple times. It is puzzling when an English team could qualify for Europe via:

Champions League champion
Uefa Cup (Euro League) champion
EPL top 5
FA Cup (winner or runner-up, although I wasn't sure about the "runner up" part)
League Cup (winner or runner-up, same question about the "runner up")
next-in-line EPL for any duplications above
Fair Play points.

It was the "next in line" thing that gave me the quandry.

So, to go back to one point, the most that England could get is 7 places by league/cup methods, and then possibly an 8th team by Fair Play? (Yes? No?)

I think the domestic-cup runner-up rule was clarified this year by UEFA. Some federations didn't just give the Ucup spot to a runner up; they still had to "qualify" by winning their domestic cup. UEFA made that rule explicit this time.

One other thing: I thought that since Shakhtar Donetsk won the UEFA Cup, they automatically got a spot in the group stage of the Euro League. But, I guess, since they also qualified for the Champions League (qualifying stages), their auto-bid was gone. They got dropped down to the Euro League qualifying stages (meaning that they still had to go through a round, instead of directly advancing).

[JackBastard]

The FA Cup runners-up get a Europa League spot if the winners are already in the EC/EL. Only the winners of the league cup get a spot, if the winners are already in either European competition then #6 in the league takes that spot.