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29 Apr 2009, 04:08 PM
Carver interview on fan590 - specifically names Toledo as one of the worst officials.
That isn't an accurate portrayal.
He did, however, have significant issues with Toledo. Mostly because, IMO, Toledo made a number of unfavorable calls against his team. Maybe calls against the opponents were missed, but I think most if not all of the calls against Toronto were legit.
Last year Toledo did a game where Carver said in the interview that he prevented Brennan and Robinson from shaking Toledo's hand post game. Probably somewhat classless from Carver, but not a huge deal IMO. Carver can be seen walking calmly to Schellas Hyndman to shake his hand in the highlights.
The game was the Dallas game in Toronto Sunday August 3rd where Amado Guevara was given a straight red for violent conduct off-the-ball against Pablo Richetti, Richetti got a bloody nose on the play. Apparently it was a retaliation, but can Toledo be blamed for only seeing the retaliation? Cooper converted the PK. Then Marco Velez was sent off in the 84th minute with a second caution. I am not sure what for. Possibly dissent. Carver can be seen walking directly to Schellas Hyndman at this time (into the Dallas technical area), putting his arm around him in a friendly manner, and pointing to the spot of the play to discuss it. Cooper had been forced toward the touchline by two Toronto players, but Cooper was able to kick the ball into one of the defenders and have it rebound for a Dallas throw-in. Then Toledo came over to the Toronto bench, and sent trainer Carmelo Lopez off. Reportedly, it was because of something he said. To add insult to injury, Cooper scored again in the 91st minute with a long range blast.
Just got back!
I sat in 105 for this game and clearly saw Guevara get planted by Ricchetti just after he passed the ball to Cooper on the wing. He swung his arm back wildly and intentionally and caught Guevara in the face with a fist or at least an elbow. As they continued down towards the box he did it again. Yes Guevara reacted. Yes it was a penalty but the play should have ceased 15 seconds before the Ref finally made a call. Same crap on the Velez front. Hemming was knocked flat on his ass by a body check and Velez came back to chase the ball out. He voiced his displeasure about the NON call and was ejected just like that. Bottom line is both calls should never have gone against us but now we lost at least a point and are down 2 more men for next weeks game.
Got it in one! Ricchetti gave Amado a couple of elbows and Amado, obviously suffering from the red mist, retaliated more or less in kind. The only question regarding the call is whether or not Guevara made contact with Ricchetti's nose prior to entering the box.
A friend of mine who was part of the Guevara scrum told me that Amado claimed it was outside of the box and the referee's assistant told the referee that it was outside the box but was overruled which would explain some of the reactions on the field.
Carver, in the interview, says the next game Toledo did, Toledo called a penalty against Toronto. That would be in the 63rd minute of the Kansas City game on September 20.
From the match report:
"Then in the 61st minute, Wolff again broke into the Reds box and was upended by Marshall. To TFC's wonder, referee Baldomero Toledo blew his whistle and pointed to the spot. A host of Toronto players surrounded Toledo protesting vehemently, but all to come was a yellow card to midfielder Carl Robinson for dissent."
It seemed like a callable foul to me, although the highlight resolution is poor. Kansas City had been consistently pressing the attack. For Carver to claim that Toledo was playing out a grudge because he didn't let a couple of players shake his hand from a match where he red carded two players and called a PK against Carver's team is rather ridiculous.
In the match, Kansas City had 14 shots, with 5 on goal. Toronto had 3 shots, with 0 on goal. Kansas City won 2-0. Yet Toledo called 15 fouls against KC to 14 against Toronto, 4 KC players were cautioned to 2 Toronto players. While obviously these are just statistics, they don’t indicate that Toledo heavily weighted his calls against Toronto in this match.
Toronto FC's John Carver will be in the coach's box after all Saturday at BMO Field in a Major League Soccer match against Houston Dynamo.
Carver was ejected from TFC's most recent game, against the Kansas City Wizards, and that normally comes with an automatic one-game suspension.
But yesterday MSL officials notified Toronto's front office that it had decided that no supplemental punishment was required.
Carver got the boot in the 2-0 loss in Kansas City after he clapped his hands in the direction of referee Baldomero Toledo, who had just called for a penalty kick on a questionable foul in the penalty area by TFC defender Tyrone Marshall.
The penalty resulted in the first goal of the game for the Wizards.
"It's the first time in my life I've been sent off for clapping," Carver said. "I've been sent off for dangerous tackles, and various other things, but never for clapping my hands."
This is not the first time Carver has had a run-in with Toledo.
Yes, may have been , and probably was, rather petty for Toledo to send Carver off for clapping, but it was probably very clear to all exactly what Carver was doing. It was a combination of mocking Toledo and expressing frustration that Toledo continued to severely penalize his team (even if, as it happens, they deserved the penalties).
In the interview, Carver claimed that during the offseason he decided that he had stepped out-of-bounds and that he was going to try hard to reign his behavior in the following year. He seemed to feel that his behavior as causing referees to make more calls against his team than they otherwise would. He felt that this year, he had behaved like Still, he continued to be treated, from his point of view, with suspicion and distrust.
“Last year, alright, I’m not an angel, and I understand that, and I am a little bit different. So this year, I purposely said to myself, I’m going to try and change, I’m going to try and come in line with what they want. You can ask anybody out there, I was a little pusycat this year, compared to last year, and I was still getting treated with the same kind of style from the officials and the league. That was one thing, we played Dallas, they gave the penalty, I‘ve been quiet as a mouse the whole game, I’ve related to the fourth official, which is what they’ve asked me to do. I questioned one decision on a guy diving, and the referee [Weyland] turned to the fourth official and said, ‘If he doesn’t sit down, he’s outta here’, meaning he was going to send me off.”
He talks about the LA-CHV match done by Weyland and Toledo, and how Toledo sent him off last year for clapping his hands. Then he says:
“Now this guy [Toledo] was the fourth official in the LA game the week before we played Dallas. Then all of a sudden this guy [Weyland] turns up at our game and thinks ‘well, I’ll show John Carver who’s the boss’, and that’s why I took myself out of the firing line, because it’s not about John Carver, the most important thing is the football club.”
Weyland called 19 fouls against Toronto (no player had more than 3), to only 8 against Dallas (Saragosa had 4). Of course, these are only statistics. Considering the controversy in Weyland’s previous game, I paid close attention to Weyland’s calls, and felt he called a good match. Only one card was given, a caution to Barrett for dissent. Carver’s displeasure with the handball penalty against Marvell Wynne is well known. Is this how Weyland showed Carver who was boss? What isn’t understood is why, despite the fact that Carver talked to his good friend Paul Tamberino nearly every Monday morning last year, more than he talked to his wife, why he wasn’t aware of USSF’s “make yourself bigger” concept for calling deliberate handballs.
“It’s just one or two [MLS referees], in my opinion, who have something against me, therefore I have a different opinion about those guys.”
Uh, must be Weyland and Toledo.
"I came in Friday morning, and there was one or two issues that were put in front of me which I wasn't too happy with and I think that was the final straw. I can actually tell you what it was, we discussed the [upcoming] game on Sunday, Mo said I had to sit in the technical area, and this was something I didn't want to do because contrary to what people said about the game on Wednesday night I actually sat upstairs to look at the team because I'd picked a new system, and I wanted to have a look at the system and see how it worked, so it was my decision to sit up in the stands and watch the game from a tactical point of view. It’s something that is the norm back home, back in Europe and around the world, and it is something that I wanted to do. It’s amazing, I listened to one or two people saying I had nothing to do with the game on Wednesday night....
I was involved in the game, in a big way, probably the biggest I’ve been all season. Obviously delighted to see the team play so well in the shape that I picked.”
Carver isn’t the only coach who has expressed a desire to watch the game from the press box. Jason Kreis has said the same thing, after being forced to watch a game from upstairs.
Is Carver right about coaches “around the world” regularly leaving their teams benches and viewing games from elsewhere? And even if he is, it is clearly not standard practice in MLS. It seems reasonable for me for MLS to require its coaches stay in the technical area for “decorum” purposes. The LOTG imply that that is where coaches should be.
It is interesting that so many Toronto fans are praising Cummings, Dasovic, Johnston and the players for implementing a new, winning playing style, while Carver clearly takes credit for it.
That isn't an accurate portrayal.
He did, however, have significant issues with Toledo. Mostly because, IMO, Toledo made a number of unfavorable calls against his team. Maybe calls against the opponents were missed, but I think most if not all of the calls against Toronto were legit.
Last year Toledo did a game where Carver said in the interview that he prevented Brennan and Robinson from shaking Toledo's hand post game. Probably somewhat classless from Carver, but not a huge deal IMO. Carver can be seen walking calmly to Schellas Hyndman to shake his hand in the highlights.
The game was the Dallas game in Toronto Sunday August 3rd where Amado Guevara was given a straight red for violent conduct off-the-ball against Pablo Richetti, Richetti got a bloody nose on the play. Apparently it was a retaliation, but can Toledo be blamed for only seeing the retaliation? Cooper converted the PK. Then Marco Velez was sent off in the 84th minute with a second caution. I am not sure what for. Possibly dissent. Carver can be seen walking directly to Schellas Hyndman at this time (into the Dallas technical area), putting his arm around him in a friendly manner, and pointing to the spot of the play to discuss it. Cooper had been forced toward the touchline by two Toronto players, but Cooper was able to kick the ball into one of the defenders and have it rebound for a Dallas throw-in. Then Toledo came over to the Toronto bench, and sent trainer Carmelo Lopez off. Reportedly, it was because of something he said. To add insult to injury, Cooper scored again in the 91st minute with a long range blast.
Just got back!
I sat in 105 for this game and clearly saw Guevara get planted by Ricchetti just after he passed the ball to Cooper on the wing. He swung his arm back wildly and intentionally and caught Guevara in the face with a fist or at least an elbow. As they continued down towards the box he did it again. Yes Guevara reacted. Yes it was a penalty but the play should have ceased 15 seconds before the Ref finally made a call. Same crap on the Velez front. Hemming was knocked flat on his ass by a body check and Velez came back to chase the ball out. He voiced his displeasure about the NON call and was ejected just like that. Bottom line is both calls should never have gone against us but now we lost at least a point and are down 2 more men for next weeks game.
Got it in one! Ricchetti gave Amado a couple of elbows and Amado, obviously suffering from the red mist, retaliated more or less in kind. The only question regarding the call is whether or not Guevara made contact with Ricchetti's nose prior to entering the box.
A friend of mine who was part of the Guevara scrum told me that Amado claimed it was outside of the box and the referee's assistant told the referee that it was outside the box but was overruled which would explain some of the reactions on the field.
Carver, in the interview, says the next game Toledo did, Toledo called a penalty against Toronto. That would be in the 63rd minute of the Kansas City game on September 20.
From the match report:
"Then in the 61st minute, Wolff again broke into the Reds box and was upended by Marshall. To TFC's wonder, referee Baldomero Toledo blew his whistle and pointed to the spot. A host of Toronto players surrounded Toledo protesting vehemently, but all to come was a yellow card to midfielder Carl Robinson for dissent."
It seemed like a callable foul to me, although the highlight resolution is poor. Kansas City had been consistently pressing the attack. For Carver to claim that Toledo was playing out a grudge because he didn't let a couple of players shake his hand from a match where he red carded two players and called a PK against Carver's team is rather ridiculous.
In the match, Kansas City had 14 shots, with 5 on goal. Toronto had 3 shots, with 0 on goal. Kansas City won 2-0. Yet Toledo called 15 fouls against KC to 14 against Toronto, 4 KC players were cautioned to 2 Toronto players. While obviously these are just statistics, they don’t indicate that Toledo heavily weighted his calls against Toronto in this match.
Toronto FC's John Carver will be in the coach's box after all Saturday at BMO Field in a Major League Soccer match against Houston Dynamo.
Carver was ejected from TFC's most recent game, against the Kansas City Wizards, and that normally comes with an automatic one-game suspension.
But yesterday MSL officials notified Toronto's front office that it had decided that no supplemental punishment was required.
Carver got the boot in the 2-0 loss in Kansas City after he clapped his hands in the direction of referee Baldomero Toledo, who had just called for a penalty kick on a questionable foul in the penalty area by TFC defender Tyrone Marshall.
The penalty resulted in the first goal of the game for the Wizards.
"It's the first time in my life I've been sent off for clapping," Carver said. "I've been sent off for dangerous tackles, and various other things, but never for clapping my hands."
This is not the first time Carver has had a run-in with Toledo.
Yes, may have been , and probably was, rather petty for Toledo to send Carver off for clapping, but it was probably very clear to all exactly what Carver was doing. It was a combination of mocking Toledo and expressing frustration that Toledo continued to severely penalize his team (even if, as it happens, they deserved the penalties).
In the interview, Carver claimed that during the offseason he decided that he had stepped out-of-bounds and that he was going to try hard to reign his behavior in the following year. He seemed to feel that his behavior as causing referees to make more calls against his team than they otherwise would. He felt that this year, he had behaved like Still, he continued to be treated, from his point of view, with suspicion and distrust.
“Last year, alright, I’m not an angel, and I understand that, and I am a little bit different. So this year, I purposely said to myself, I’m going to try and change, I’m going to try and come in line with what they want. You can ask anybody out there, I was a little pusycat this year, compared to last year, and I was still getting treated with the same kind of style from the officials and the league. That was one thing, we played Dallas, they gave the penalty, I‘ve been quiet as a mouse the whole game, I’ve related to the fourth official, which is what they’ve asked me to do. I questioned one decision on a guy diving, and the referee [Weyland] turned to the fourth official and said, ‘If he doesn’t sit down, he’s outta here’, meaning he was going to send me off.”
He talks about the LA-CHV match done by Weyland and Toledo, and how Toledo sent him off last year for clapping his hands. Then he says:
“Now this guy [Toledo] was the fourth official in the LA game the week before we played Dallas. Then all of a sudden this guy [Weyland] turns up at our game and thinks ‘well, I’ll show John Carver who’s the boss’, and that’s why I took myself out of the firing line, because it’s not about John Carver, the most important thing is the football club.”
Weyland called 19 fouls against Toronto (no player had more than 3), to only 8 against Dallas (Saragosa had 4). Of course, these are only statistics. Considering the controversy in Weyland’s previous game, I paid close attention to Weyland’s calls, and felt he called a good match. Only one card was given, a caution to Barrett for dissent. Carver’s displeasure with the handball penalty against Marvell Wynne is well known. Is this how Weyland showed Carver who was boss? What isn’t understood is why, despite the fact that Carver talked to his good friend Paul Tamberino nearly every Monday morning last year, more than he talked to his wife, why he wasn’t aware of USSF’s “make yourself bigger” concept for calling deliberate handballs.
“It’s just one or two [MLS referees], in my opinion, who have something against me, therefore I have a different opinion about those guys.”
Uh, must be Weyland and Toledo.
"I came in Friday morning, and there was one or two issues that were put in front of me which I wasn't too happy with and I think that was the final straw. I can actually tell you what it was, we discussed the [upcoming] game on Sunday, Mo said I had to sit in the technical area, and this was something I didn't want to do because contrary to what people said about the game on Wednesday night I actually sat upstairs to look at the team because I'd picked a new system, and I wanted to have a look at the system and see how it worked, so it was my decision to sit up in the stands and watch the game from a tactical point of view. It’s something that is the norm back home, back in Europe and around the world, and it is something that I wanted to do. It’s amazing, I listened to one or two people saying I had nothing to do with the game on Wednesday night....
I was involved in the game, in a big way, probably the biggest I’ve been all season. Obviously delighted to see the team play so well in the shape that I picked.”
Carver isn’t the only coach who has expressed a desire to watch the game from the press box. Jason Kreis has said the same thing, after being forced to watch a game from upstairs.
Is Carver right about coaches “around the world” regularly leaving their teams benches and viewing games from elsewhere? And even if he is, it is clearly not standard practice in MLS. It seems reasonable for me for MLS to require its coaches stay in the technical area for “decorum” purposes. The LOTG imply that that is where coaches should be.
It is interesting that so many Toronto fans are praising Cummings, Dasovic, Johnston and the players for implementing a new, winning playing style, while Carver clearly takes credit for it.