Salida al mar de Bolivia?

[DanRod78]

Primero que nada, no se mucho sobre este tema.
Pero estaba viendo el mapa de Suramerica y mas o menos calculando me di cuenta que Chile tiene mas una 1/4 de todas las costas de sudamerica.
Y Chile es un de los paises del mundo con mas costas.

Por que no le dan algo de costa a Bolivia?

[Garcia]

Give Bolivia some of your oil, too. :D

[DanRod78]

Have you heard of "Pacto de San Jose"???

Venezuela & Mexico sell oil to centralamerican and caribbean countries at a lower price than all the other countries.

Does Chile's economy depend on their shoreline? Is their economy going to be affected by giving Bolivia 0.001% of their shoreline?(Maybe less)

If Bolivia had a shore, we might send them some oil.

[AtNacional]

Theres going to be a lot of drownings...

[chaski]

What if they gave them 0.001% that was not suitable for a port? ;)

The logical place to do your 0.001% plan (Arica) used to be part of Peru.

[DanRod78]

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ci.html

Chile's shoreline = 6435 kms

0.001% = 6.4kms

[chaski]

Chile would have to give up more than shoreline, or it wouldn't be a "salida".

Brasil's coastline is 7491 km. Maybe they should volunteer.

[condor11]

how much is perus shoreline?

[DanRod78]

Before anybody catches it, 0.001% of 6435kms is actually 0.064Kms.

Why don't we ask Russia to give Bolivia a port, since they have 37,653 kms of shoreline.

Seriously, all it takes is a highway and a small port. I guess a few gas stations in the way, too.

If you think that is bad, Venezuela has being claiming some land that Guyana (England) stole for more than 100 years. It's the 2nd biggest land claim in the whole World.
That area is called "El esequibo" and is 159.500 km2

[condor11]

how did england steal it?

[chaski]

Originally posted by condor11
how much is perus shoreline? 2,414 km
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/pe.html
Originally posted by DanRod78
Before anybody catches it, 0.001% of 6435kms is actually 0.064Kms. :eek:
Aren't you an engineering student?

Seriously, all it takes is a highway and a small port. I guess a few gas stations in the way, too. They want a big port, with room for a Navy base.
If you think that is bad, Venezuela has being claiming some land that Guyana (England) stole for more than 100 years. It's the 2nd biggest land claim in the whole World.
That area is called "El esequibo" and is 159.500 km2 What is the biggest claim?
Bolivia's claim on Chile is pretty big, all of Antofagasta region.

[DanRod78]

The biggest claim is Kashmir, between pakistan and india.
What the hell does Bolivia want a navy base for? Do they have a fleet landlocked since 1890?

I was reading a little about Venezuela's claim over "The essequibo" and it looks like it goes all the way back to Venezuela's independence in 1811 and its first constitution.

[Che Matador]

just want a shoreline so we can export our materials such as gas to mexico and UsA(california), without having to pay taxes or ask permission to chile. After the pacific war with chile, they came in and took over the coastline that belonged to Bolivia and declared it theirs. Having a coastline would in my mind boost the economy which is why there is this whole debate between Bolivia and Chile.

[chaski]

What the hell does Bolivia want a navy base for? Do they have a fleet landlocked since 1890?Bolivia has a navy.

http://www.geocities.com/boliviafab/FNBorganization.html

[chaski]

En medio de un ambiente que no se percibía desde hace al menos un cuarto de siglo, los bolivianos se preparaban hoy para conmemorar mañana el aniversario 125 del ingreso de Chile a territorio boliviano, que dio inicio a la pérdida del litoral para el hoy país mediterráneo.
http://www.elcomercioperu.com.pe/OnLine/Html/2004-03-22/onlMundo0118952.html

[Penarol1916]

just want a shoreline so we can export our materials such as gas to mexico and UsA(california), without having to pay taxes or ask permission to chile. After the pacific war with chile, they came in and took over the coastline that belonged to Bolivia and declared it theirs. Having a coastline would in my mind boost the economy which is why there is this whole debate between Bolivia and Chile.

Chile have already offered free use and access of a port, so that is not the case, it is about national pride and hurt feelings from losing a war. If Bolivia really has a legal claim on the land, then I want Uruguay to reclaim half its territory that it lost to Brasil in the 1800's and Paraguay should be able to more than triple its size when it gets back the land it lost in the war of the Triple Alliance. We'll be able to halve the size of Brasil after all of the land that they have stolen, shoot, we should go back to the original papal proclamation on that one, Brasil would be tiny.

[biosoccer]

Bolivia has no right over any tiny bit of the Chilean shoreline... wars are wars and if you lose, too bad. Bolivian politics are just trying to use this to cover the big mess they have with their country. If Chile gives back what Bolivia claims, I want Ecuador to claim all the Amazon River as it used to belong, including 1/3 of it's territory that was taken by the Peruvians (not even in a war, but in a real theft act).
And let's add on, have the Israel return the land to the Palestinians, England return the Malvinas to Argentina, and so and so on... and since we are being so generous, why not give some shore to Paraguay too? Even if they have never cried about it... :rolleyes:

[condor11]

hang on a minue

if were all claiming back land

then we want bolivia back or alto peru as it was known
arica
the amazon bits ecuador colombia and brazil took from us

and all the gold the spanish took from the incas

;0 :rolleyes: :D

[Garcia]

LIMA, Jul. 25 (IPS) -- Drug trafficking gangs have opened up a new route through Chile for the cocaine produced in the jungles of Peru, due to the imminent renewal of U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) support for flights aimed at intercepting small planes carrying drugs to neighboring Colombia. The Peruvian police reported that around three months ago, some 40 groups of traffickers, with a combined total of 245 members, created a new network for transporting cocaine and basic cocaine paste from the Apurimac river valley, in Peru's southeastern Amazon jungle, to the northern Chilean port of Arica on the Pacific Ocean.
http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?DOCID=1P1:54716822&refid=ip_encyclopedia_hf

[Garcia]

Peru, Ecuador, and Colombia have international shipping rights on the Amazon.