City votes Landsdowne

[Sport Billy]

http://www.ottawasun.com/News/OttawaAndRegion/2009/04/22/9209321.html



The city will enter into a partnership with four local businessmen to redevelop Lansdowne Park.

[ortawa]

There was another vote following on Kanata. I missed it but they were discussing approving the soccer stadium as well

[Sport Billy]

There was another vote following on Kanata. I missed it but they were discussing approving the soccer stadium as well


I noticed that being discussed.

They need 13 votes. Landsdowne was 14-9

[Kibby]

they passed some vote 13 to 8 involving Melnyk and continueing negotations.

It made sense at first then they started adding a 60 or 90 day thing and something about the report on Landsdowne to it, then it became tres confusing.

Not sure if that means they'll continue to talk to melynk for 60 to 90 days. Or they'll start to talk to him again for 60 to 90 days after the Landsdowne report. Or they are holding the motion to be retabled after 60 or 90 days or until after Landsdowne report comes out.

I'm confused as hell, but it's not dead.

[Ottawa MLS Fan]

Here is Melnyk's press release:

http://senators.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=419624&page=NewsPage&service=page

I guess it is positive when he says that he has directed all staff to return to their duties with the senators for the next 60 days. They may get another shot because I don't see the city reaching an agreement with the Lansdowne Live group. The motion that was passed directed city staff to enter into negotiations and modify the Lansdowne Live proposal to reduce the amount of stuff that makes money for the developers (big box retail) and increase the amount of stuff that doesn't make money (bigger farmer's market, more green space etc). I think councilors are naive if they think there is a deal that will get done there. I fully expect that we will be at the public consultation stage in 60 days with no deal in place, and it will all start again.

I just don't know how long Melnyk will wait. May guess is he may give council one more shot if the LL negotiations don't work well.

[Ottawa MLS Fan]

they passed some vote 13 to 8 involving Melnyk and continueing negotations.

It made sense at first then they started adding a 60 or 90 day thing and something about the report on Landsdowne to it, then it became tres confusing.

Not sure if that means they'll continue to talk to melynk for 60 to 90 days. Or they'll start to talk to him again for 60 to 90 days after the Landsdowne report. Or they are holding the motion to be retabled after 60 or 90 days or until after Landsdowne report comes out.

I'm confused as hell, but it's not dead.


I don't think the 60 or 90 day thing made it into the final motion. I think the final agreement was that they will revive the motion to support the Kanata Stadium and vote on it AFTER the Lansdowne Live proposal is through the 60 day negotiation phase and the public consultation. I guess the assumption is that if LL is going ahead Kanata will be rejected at that time, but if something has happened to LL, Kanata may get a shot

[ChrisB]

I agree that there is a very good chance that LL will not come up with a suitable proposal. The local community associations will be well bankrolled to take it to the OMB if necessary, holding things up for quite some time.

I think that there will be a bloc of 5 - 9 councillors against whatever the result is. There will equally be a bloc of 5 - 9 councillors in favour of whatever the result is. That leaves people like Rick Chiarelli and Diane Deans as the arbiters.

Of course the wildcard here is that the developers might revise their proposal to come up with somethign stunning, but I am familiar with the work of suburban developers and I do not rate that chance very high.

And when they fail, Melnyk will be able to swoop in with his plan (which at least one councillor - Gord Hunter - prefers)

[Ottawa MLS Fan]

Part of the city motion was "for revenues generated from the revitalization not to subsidize any professional sports team."

This may be a sticking point, unless the developers can hide the losses somehow, because their original plan called for the exact opposite. According to the city stadium report: "... without offsetting revenues from the retail development, the stadium operations would generate an operating loss."

Now the city want them to cut back on the retail aspect of the plan, and absorb the operating loss from the stadium/CFL team. Going to be an intersting 3 months!

[RedRover]

http://www.bjacked.net/LuvToHunt/forums/phpBB2/modules/gallery/albums/album01/Beat_Dead_Horse.jpg

[FandesRens]

No one is beating a dead horse here. The City council gave a thumbs up to LL for negociating a deal with the city. Both have 60 days to come up with a marriage or a failure. If they do come up with a deal, that will be debated publicly and city council will make a decision then.

Not that I trust Ottawa city council!!

But nevertheless, LL gets first kick at the can. One LL has gone one way or another, the MLS soccer stadium in Kanata can be debated. If LL fails, I would say the odds of a Kanata stadium are better than 50%... If LL succeeds, a kanata stadium is a very long shot.

LL and the city have 60 days to come up with a marriage.

no dead horse here...

[RedRover]

No one is beating a dead horse here. The City council gave a thumbs up to LL for negociating a deal with the city. Both have 60 days to come up with a marriage or a failure. If they do come up with a deal, that will be debated publicly and city council will make a decision then.

Not that I trust Ottawa city council!!

But nevertheless, LL gets first kick at the can. One LL has gone one way or another, the MLS soccer stadium in Kanata can be debated. If LL fails, I would say the odds of a Kanata stadium are better than 50%... If LL succeeds, a kanata stadium is a very long shot.

LL and the city have 60 days to come up with a marriage.

no dead horse here...
Even if negotiations fall apart with Lansdowne Live, the chances of turning to Kanata to build a soccer specific stadium are NOT better than 50 percent. The best they have are slim to none, and even slim ain't so confident. Calling Melnyk's stadium proposal "too optimistic" is telling him he's full of it. And the fact that he refused to co-operate with LL in making some partnership with both football and soccer sends a message to council that he does not want to play well with others.

No one should be surprised that this wasn't going to happen. The reason I'm calling this a dead horse is that you MLS in Ottawa supporters are too drug induced delusional to accept the truth.

[Kibby]

Even if negotiations fall apart with Lansdowne Live, the chances of turning to Kanata to build a soccer specific stadium are NOT better than 50 percent. The best they have are slim to none, and even slim ain't so confident. Calling Melnyk's stadium proposal "too optimistic" is telling him he's full of it. And the fact that he refused to co-operate with LL in making some partnership with both football and soccer sends a message to council that he does not want to play well with others.

No one should be surprised that this wasn't going to happen. The reason I'm calling this a dead horse is that you MLS in Ottawa supporters are too drug induced delusional to accept the truth.

Game. set. match. Funny photos and red text always make arguments more valid.

Even if LL fails his chances are less then 50%, in fact they are slim to none? It's nice to see you crunched the numbers for us.

[RedRover]

You're welcome. And enjoy your time in reality. Feel free to make it your home, please. It'll do you good. :p

[Ottawa MLS Fan]

Game. set. match. Funny photos and red text always make arguments more valid.

Even if LL fails his chances are less then 50%, in fact they are slim to none? It's nice to see you crunched the numbers for us.


I'm still waiting for the first useful comment on this board in red text, or 'funny' photos. And if we ever get one I'm sure it won't be from this guy. He's about as useful as the team in Ottawa that wore his initials on their helmets.

[RedRover]

I'm still waiting for the first useful comment on this board in red text, or 'funny' photos. And if we ever get one I'm sure it won't be from this guy. He's about as useful as the team in Ottawa that wore his initials on their helmets.
The fact that your God, Eugene Melnyk, was whining about getting rejected by the council says volumes about how very little they thought about this pie in the sky proposal of his. Of course, I could explain to you why an MLS team in Ottawa won't fly, but you won't listen because, even though the writing's been on the wall for weeks, you're too delusional to accept reality. You're still grasping at straws and pulling anything out of your ass thinking there's still a chance an MLS team will land in Ottawa. A brick wall would be more receptive than you. So instead it's less time consuming and more fun just to make fun of you and your fellow no hopers.

So go ahead and ridicule me all you want. In the end, I'm right and you're wrong. Game, set, match. And I will continue to point out how pathetic you are.

BTW, the name's RedRover. Hence, the red type.

You're welcome. :p

[Kibby]

I still don't get it, maybe you should go ahead and explain sir.

[RedRover]

I still don't get it.
And you never will.

[Ottawa MLS Fan]

Negotiations started today:

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/City+begins+negotiations+with+Landsowne+group/1539238/story.html

It looks as though Mayor O'Brien will still be away on his trial when the next vote comes, so that takes one Lansdowne Live vote away, and there only needs to be two councilors change their vote to tie it.

[Ottawa MLS Fan]

Interesting article in the Ottawa Business Journal, by Bruce Firestone, explaining how Scotiabank Place ended up in Kanata:

http://www.ottawabusinessjournal.com/366863800182473.php

[FandesRens]

Firestone's story makes alot of sense. It's nice to see how they got to where they are when we (looking back) keep saying "what were they thinking".