Canucks= gutless turds

[fatmaradona]

Anyone who saw that game last must agree, that not just Bertuzzi, but the entire team and their scummy fans were absolutely gutless last night.
For those that don't know, Canuck Brad May had put a "bounty" on Av Steve Moore for a clean hit delivered by Moore earlier in the season on Canuck star Naslund. Then Canucks then played two games against the Avs at Denver, but did not try anything, presumably because they were too scared to do it in someone elses' building. Last night the two teams finally played at Vancouver, and the Canucks plotted their delusional revenge. Instead, they were not only getting blown out in the game, which ended 9-2, but they could not win any of the fights, including a early Steve Moore fight. So Canuck star, Todd Bertuzzi, midway through the third, grabs Steve Moore from behind, sucker punches him in the temple, which knocks him out---but that was not good enough, so he drove him head-first into the ice. Needless to say, Moore is still in the hospital, and all this to the cheers of the Canuck faithful, who were still around watching their team lose 9-2, not because they thought they could come back, but because they wanted to see someone get Brad May's bounty on Steve Moore. Well Done Vancouver! You did it!

BTW---this is the same city that arrested Marty McSorley for the inicident on Brashear a few years ago---will they arrest Bertuzzi?

[JMMUSA8]

First off it wasn't remotely anything like the situation with McSorley. The hit Moore had on Naslund was nasty, and it was amplified by the fact it was on a star player. I don't doubt Todd for going after him, or anyone for that matter, but I don't agree with actions that took place. I think the discipline handed out was fair.

BTW, Todd really kicked his ass. Don't F with the Canucks was the message i got.

[Dante]

The message I got from Todd was, "I'm a little bitch that has to sucker punch people."

If he were a man he would have confronted Moore and hit the man from the front. Given the guy a chance, instead he hit him from behind like the little bitch he and the Canucks are.

Bertuzzi should be banned from the NHL and AHL for life! The Canucks should get a hefty fine as well.

[fatmaradona]

Originally posted by JMMUSA8
First off it wasn't remotely anything like the situation with McSorley. The hit Moore had on Naslund was nasty, and it was amplified by the fact it was on a star player. I don't doubt Todd for going after him, or anyone for that matter, but I don't agree with actions that took place. I think the discipline handed out was fair.

BTW, Todd really kicked his ass. Don't F with the Canucks was the message i got.

I don't normally say these things, but you are a complete idiot. Did you even see it? Bertuzzi skated behind Moore, sucker punched him, and then drove his head into the ice, and you say Todd kicked his ass? It's not hard to kick someone's ass when they are unconscious. Only difference with McSorley is that no stick was used.

[Zenit]

Thnis doesn't surprise me at alll. Bertuzzi and the rest of the Canucks are a bunch of hacks that have no qualms about trying to rack up cheap shots when things aren't going their way.

I never saw the original hit that sparked the controversy, but having been witness to the Canucks antics over the last couple of years, I don't feel sorry for them in the least, regardless of the legitimacy of the hit by Moore.

Speaking of Bertuzzi...for such a rough & tumble guy, he sure does flop on the ice a lot whenever anyone lays a glove on him. Maybe double runners would help, Todd?

And that punk May is gonna get his, tomorrow night.

[Zenit]

Originally posted by JMMUSA8

BTW, Todd really kicked his ass.

Yeah, really stood toe to toe with him and laid the beatdown on him, didn't he?

Moore is undergoing surgery as we speak for fractured vertebrae.

Video clip at:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=1754963#

[JMMUSA8]

Well now Moore wont be going after anymore superstars in the league. But I don't agree with the way Todd did it, I do think its a cheap shot. But he got the job done, there was no question the Canucks were looking to go after him, and they put him out of action the way he did to Naslund. I think it would have been a real cheap shot if they did what the Avs did, and that is go after a star player like Sakic. Moore isn't going to decide if the Avs are going to win the Stanley Cup so no big loss, just a bunch of pissed off losers.

[JMMUSA8]

I saw the tape last night on Sportscenter, I didn't really think it was a big deal until I read this.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-avalanche-canucks-bertuzzispu&prov=ap&type=lgns

[revsrock]

Originally posted by JMMUSA8
Well now Moore wont be going after anymore superstars in the league. But I don't agree with the way Todd did it, I do think its a cheap shot. But he got the job done, there was no question the Canucks were looking to go after him, and they put him out of action the way he did to Naslund. I think it would have been a real cheap shot if they did what the Avs did, and that is go after a star player like Sakic. Moore isn't going to decide if the Avs are going to win the Stanley Cup so no big loss, just a bunch of pissed off losers.

It was just as nasty as the Mcsorley hit. Moore's hit on Naslund was a clean hit , no penalty, no suspension or fine.

Todd kicked his ass because it was a sucker punch from behind, slamming his head into the ground, that is why he kicked his ass.

This desverves the same amount of suspension the Mcsorley got 23 games plus playoffs.

I dont buy this superstar thing of being untouchable if you cant handle the hitting get the f##k out of the league. I love hockey but the best way to go after a player who you think gave cheap shot is to settle man to man an fight him fair an square, dont be a ********** and hit him from behind. If teh Vancouver police have the guts they should charge Bertuzzi they way they did McSorley.

[Michael K.]

I just saw the hit for the first time on ESPNNews.

It's the worst, most gutless thing I've ever seen in hockey - somehow even worse than McSorley's hit, maybe because the suckerpunch (which seemed to knock Moore unconscious) wasn't enough - Bertuzzi then had to drive his head into the ice like he was giving him a DDT. Ridiculous. Suspending him for the rest of the season isn't enough.

JMMUSA, you actually thought it 'wasn't that big a deal'? For real?

[JMMUSA8]

Originally posted by Michael K.
I just saw the hit for the first time on ESPNNews.

It's the worst, most gutless thing I've ever seen in hockey - somehow even worse than McSorley's hit, maybe because the suckerpunch (which seemed to knock Moore unconscious) wasn't enough - Bertuzzi then had to drive his head into the ice like he was giving him a DDT. Ridiculous. Suspending him for the rest of the season isn't enough.

JMMUSA, you actually thought it 'wasn't that big a deal'? For real?
When I saw it, I wasn't exactly focused on the TV because I was on my computer, so I just thought it was another hit that went bad, but when I took a look at it on ESPN Motion, it made me shiver. I had no idea that Todd Bertuzzi was that cheap, no respect for him anymore.


I don't think this was worse the McSorley. McSorley was with his stick, a weapon. But both were ugly.

[Dante]

Here's a clip from last nights game that really shows how bad it was, not to mention the coaches reactions. The announcers also bring up a good point about legal action.

http://homepage.mac.com/chibianh/.Movies/BertuzziSuckerPunch.wmv

[revsrock]

Originally posted by JMMUSA8
When I saw it, I wasn't exactly focused on the TV because I was on my computer, so I just thought it was another hit that went bad, but when I took a look at it on ESPN Motion, it made me shiver. I had no idea that Todd Bertuzzi was that cheap, no respect for him anymore.


I don't think this was worse the McSorley. McSorley was with his stick, a weapon. But both were ugly.

If you judge by injury it is 1000 time worse. Brashear got a concussion, while Moore has fractured neck, concussion , and most likely his career over. Brashear is still playing to this day. I have changed my mind about puinishment, since this was a gutless act he should be suspened without pay until Moore can come back or at least the rest of this season, playoffs and all of the next NHL season plus World Cup.

[soccernutter]

I have been tuned out lately and just heard about this on my way home - and just watched the hit.

From what the said in the report I heard (on ESPN radio?) was the the Canucks had been after Moore the entire game. If that is true, some responsability does go to the Avs coach to get more off the ice - what did he think would happen in a 9-2 game.

That, in no possible way, excuses Bertuzzi. I do think that the NHL should send a message that garbage like that is not tolarated and ban Bertuzzi for life. Probably won't happen. But serious asult charges should be filed and Bertuzzi should serve jail time.

[ticogordo]

this is everything which is wrong with sports.
bertuzzi, who i thought was a fine player before, has shown himself as the most gutless coward the game has ever seen. this is worst than the Mcsorley hit.
Mcsorley wanted to give Brashear a tap on the head and goad him into a fight. sure it was gutless also, but he did not

However, to disagree with fatmaradona, not all of the Canucks are awful (naslund looked ill and shocked that bertuzzi would do such a thing), though both May (who tried to fight a goalie twice) and bertuzzi are not hockey players, they are thugs. Also Trevor Linden is one of the most honorable players in the league, and yesterday did not change that.

marc crawford should also be suspended or at least fined. he is responsible for his players on the ice. he allowed this thugery to occur. he ordered various 'code reds' on Aebischer, Bertuzzi would have hurt Aebischer on his way to the net, but nikolishin stepped in.

bertuzzi should not be allowed to play for AT LEAST the rest of the regular season AND the playoffs. And then be re-admitted ONLY after a hearing with both the NHL and the NHLPA.

for those of you that defend bertuzzi's actions as being merely accidental (that he did not want to hurt him so badly), i say to you, stop talking,

his actions were malicious and intentional, even if he did not mean to break Moore's neck, his actions led to this horrible result and he should be punished respectively.
If i drive drunk and kill someone over accidentally, i still get punished like i killed the person. bertuzzi suckerpunched Moore from behind and should regardless of the actual cause of the injury be punished for starting the entire fiasco.

anyways, all of these messages are worthless...the only thing which is really important right now is Steve Moore's health, and everyone's energy should be directed into that (though i do not mean it in a i-love-jesus-way or a peace, love, dope hippy way either)

[JMMUSA8]

From what I heard, the Canucks wanted to fight Moore basically the whole game and he wouldn't respond, so Bertuzzi went after him. Do I think he meant to smash his head in the ice, no. I don't think his main intentions was to seriously injure Moore. For whatever its worth, Bertuzzi was worried about Moore and called him at the hospital to check on his condition.

[ticogordo]

from what i saw, "what [you've] heard" is wrong.

not only did Moore fight a guy in the first period (and won), but he scored a goal (and did not showboat, actually his reaction was very subdued, even though he had the right to celebrate a lot seeing as he has about 6 goals for the year), and continued to be harrassed the rest of the game. he took hits and did not complain to the refs. he took his due and kept going.
It should have ended with the first fight.

as i said before it is irrelevant whether or not he meant to "seriously injure" Moore. he INTENTIONALLY punched him in the temple and INTENTIONALLY drove him face first into the ice. the consequences bertuzzi considered before he did it or as he was doing it are irrelevant. he did it and he caused this. he should be removed from the league for a significant period of time.

it is even more gutless because he broke two of the cardinal rules of hockey:
1. you do NOT come at a guy from behind, when he is defenseless and
2. you do NOT EVER EVER EVER even chance driving a guy's head into the ground. This is why even guys who hate one another while fighting will immediately STOP when the other guy falls, because it is gutless to punch a guy while he is down where his head could go into the ice.

either way the Canucks dishonoured themselves, the league, the sport in general, and various countries.

[JMMUSA8]

Originally posted by ticogordo
from what i saw, "what [you've] heard" is wrong.

not only did Moore fight a guy in the first period (and won), but he scored a goal (and did not showboat, actually his reaction was very subdued, even though he had the right to celebrate a lot seeing as he has about 6 goals for the year), and continued to be harrassed the rest of the game. he took hits and did not complain to the refs. he took his due and kept going.
It should have ended with the first fight.

as i said before it is irrelevant whether or not he meant to "seriously injure" Moore. he INTENTIONALLY punched him in the temple and INTENTIONALLY drove him face first into the ice. the consequences bertuzzi considered before he did it or as he was doing it are irrelevant. he did it and he caused this. he should be removed from the league for a significant period of time.

it is even more gutless because he broke two of the cardinal rules of hockey:
1. you do NOT come at a guy from behind, when he is defenseless and
2. you do NOT EVER EVER EVER even chance driving a guy's head into the ground. This is why even guys who hate one another while fighting will immediately STOP when the other guy falls, because it is gutless to punch a guy while he is down where his head could go into the ice.

either way the Canucks dishonoured themselves, the league, the sport in general, and various countries.
I disagree with you on him intentionally shoving his face in the ice. Now I didn't see the full game so I can't say what happened, but from the video he hit him in the ear, and fell on top of him. It look like the punch knocked him out and he fell on his head with a little extra impact from Bertuzzi's weight. Put your bias aside and look at the tape again. The punch from behind was dirty but there was no way Bertuzzi intentionally smashed his head on the ice.

[soccernutter]

Originally posted by JMMUSA8
I disagree with you on him intentionally shoving his face in the ice. Now I didn't see the full game so I can't say what happened, but from the video he hit him in the ear, and fell on top of him. It look like the punch knocked him out and he fell on his head with a little extra impact from Bertuzzi's weight. Put your bias aside and look at the tape again. The punch from behind was dirty but there was no way Bertuzzi intentionally smashed his head on the ice.

I'm with tico - it doesn't matter if he intentionally mean for Moore's head to his the ice or not - the bottom line is it did as a result of Bertuzzi's actions (I should say malicious actions...). Bertuzzi's idea was to blind side Moore, and he did. After watching the video, it appeared that Bertuzzi chased down Moore, and took a full swing, in such a way as Bertuzzi's momentum cause him to fall on Moore, thus smashing Moore's face into the ice. While the initial goal by Bertuzzi may not have been to smash Moore's head into the ice, that was the end result of a direct action by Bertuzzi.

That being said, I don't think the thrid player made things any easier for Moore.

[DoyleG]

Here's the part of the Canadian Criminal Code that might into play now.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-46/41879.html