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Scotty
07 Mar 2004, 04:07 PM
Gullit attacks Shearer

Former Newcastle coach Ruud Gullit has launched an extraordinary attack on Alan Shearer, branding him "overrated" and "a rotten apple." Gullit, who is now Feyenoord coach, spoke of his rift with Shearer following the striker's attack on Magpies boss Sir Bobby Robson.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/3540581.stm

musicl
08 Mar 2004, 01:58 PM
Shearer is a one celebration pony.

Stick your right arm up in the air, smile like a goof and run like the wind.

Captain Splarg
08 Mar 2004, 02:32 PM
better than Solskjær's celebration. All he does is have that stupid grin. I want to hit him.

ruudboy
08 Mar 2004, 04:15 PM
Would you say Gullit is correct or is he just trying to cover up for his crap coaching , since he just recently aquired a new job, I grew up loving Gullit, but all Shearer seems to do is score, so i never understood why he sat that goal scoring monster on the bench.

Scotty
08 Mar 2004, 04:47 PM
Shepherd defends Shearer

Newcastle chairman Freddy Shepherd has backed Alan Shearer after Ruud Gullit's extraordinary outburst about the Magpies captain. The former Newcastle coach, now in charge of Feyenoord, branded Shearer "overrated" and "a rotten apple".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/3540581.stm

musicl
08 Mar 2004, 05:18 PM
better than Solskjær's celebration. All he does is have that stupid grin. I want to hit him.
Thats harsh

billyireland
08 Mar 2004, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by Captain Splarg
better than Solskjær's celebration. All he does is have that stupid grin. I want him playing for Leeds. I hate these "fixed your posts" thingys, but it was irresistable.

Maczebus
09 Mar 2004, 09:45 AM
Ok, so who are the "clique of mediocre players who think if they stick close to him they will stay involved in the team"?
In peoples' opinon.

prk166
09 Mar 2004, 09:59 AM
RG should stop worrying about Shearer and concentrate on showing he's worthy of being a football manager.

MarioKempes
09 Mar 2004, 10:15 AM
I told him to his face 'you are the most overrated player I have ever seen'

-Ruud Gullit

LOL. I want him to talk to Kevin Phillips next.

Matt Clark
09 Mar 2004, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by maczebus
Ok, so who are the "clique of mediocre players who think if they stick close to him they will stay involved in the team"?

Gary Speed, Warren Barton and Rob Lee.

Gullit is just doing that typical Dutch arrogance thing and hitting out over something that still burns him. He's never - not ever - had to deal with a situation where the force of his ego would not prevail. Even at USA '94 his response to having his ego confronted rather than placated was to storm off in a huff. He's simply never dealt with a situation where a man of greater (and more justifiable) stature than himself was allowed to remain in control of a situation that Gullit felt should be his to master. That's why he acted the way he did at Newcastle and that's why he failed in the way he did at Newcastle. No one - and I mean NO ONE - is bigger than Alan Shearer at Newcastle. Now, you can think of that what you will, neither he nor the Toon Army care one iota, but them's the straight facts of life.

It just so happened that the spat Robson and Shearer had the other week coincided with a major Gullit interview with a British paper. Gullit, it is fairly obvious to conclude, is taking the first real opportunity he has had to get a bit back for what was, ultimately, a humiliating lesson for a man so completely used to being given complete freedom to indulge himself in his vision of self.

sendorange
09 Mar 2004, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by Matt Clark
Gullit, it is fairly obvious to conclude, is taking the first real opportunity he has had to get a bit back for what was, ultimately, a humiliating lesson for a man so completely used to being given complete freedom to indulge himself in his vision of self.
So true.

Shearer is God at Newcastle, and rightly so. Gullit must still be hurting after coming off so second best at Newcastle. He's not recovered from it at all.

nurspec
10 Mar 2004, 06:02 PM
Interesting article.I have always admired Shearer as a total goalscorer,but a llt of what Guillit says makes sense.
I always knew that Shearer was one dimensional but some here seemed to ignore that and call him the best striker the EPL has ever had.
I would say as a striker Shearer is overrated in MY BOOK,because he has no depth.As a goalscorer he fantastic,but i wouldn't have him on my team.

billyireland
10 Mar 2004, 07:46 PM
How, how, howq? Nurspec, you already had 11 different dimensions to SHearer's game pointed out to you (I pointed out 10, and forgot one of the most obviosu ones - leadership, which was later pointed out). Want them reposted?

nurspec
10 Mar 2004, 09:49 PM
You call dimension left foot ,right foot head and long shot.
That's not what i call dimension,shearer is purely a goalscorer.If you want to show me his stats regarding asists,breaking down a defence,passing ability and speed and creativity.C'mon man you can't convince me of any of that without stats,but he is a great player for what he does,like RVN ans Owen.

mother_goose
11 Mar 2004, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by nurspec
I would say as a striker Shearer is overrated in MY BOOK,because he has no depth.As a goalscorer he fantastic,but i wouldn't have him on my team.

we know... you'd rather have okocha on your team!

billyireland
11 Mar 2004, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by nurspec
You call dimension left foot ,right foot head and long shot.
That's not what i call dimension,shearer is purely a goalscorer.If you want to show me his stats regarding asists,breaking down a defence,passing ability and speed and creativity.C'mon man you can't convince me of any of that without stats,but he is a great player for what he does,like RVN ans Owen. It's incredible how you only consider the dimensions that suit your argument. Is leadership not a quality? Is scoring with either foot & your head not a dimension? Is leadership not a dimension? I could go on, but if you can explain how these are not legitimate dimensions of a player, I would be very grateful.

Matt Clark
12 Mar 2004, 04:27 AM
Pointless discussion because nurspec takes no account of Shearer's role. He's not in the team to "make assists" (the wankiest of all the wanky modern footballing "dimensions", just by the by), he's in the team to make the net bulge, to score. He's in the team to drag an often desperately ordinary Newcastle side through games by the scruff of their necks. That - and only that - is the single valid parameter for evaluating his stature. The fact that he performs those two tasks with as diverse and flexible a range of skills as he does is all very nice and nurspec betrays his lack of insight by questioning the obvious, but it is ultimately irrelevant that Shearer is the multi-faceted player he is.

nurspec
12 Mar 2004, 08:31 AM
A players worth should be defined by what he can do for a team on a consistent basis.If shearer can't get around Ferdinand,Gallas,Silvestre,and all the other great defenders in the EPL then he is rendered as deadweight,just a body on the field.If he is able to split the defence with a pass,take two players with him as a decoy
or become effective with free kicks what good is he.I fully understand Shearers role as a player and it's to put the ball in the back of the net,and that's all he can do.But don't call him the best striker ever to play in the EPL,that's not a thing i can agre on.

Now you can call Newcastle ordinary if you want,but i'll tell you what i guarentee you if they were up for grabs Arsenal,Chelsea and Man U would be after Robert,Jennas,Dyer.Those guy's are top notch in my oppinion,and i for one think there are suffereing from Shearers god like admiration at the club.I think people need to reevaluate what is more important to the team without shearers input,if he's as selfish as Gullit say's.
But that's that stubborn English stupidity for you,the reason England will never win a thing,even with some of the ebst players in the world.
Sherarer even took himself out of international play,but the Newcastle "faithful" won't let it go.

Look, Shearers doing a fine job this season netting goals for a team who base their offence around him,but they have nothing to show for it.If they don't watch out,the young up and commers will look elsewhere to further their careers.

Matt Clark
12 Mar 2004, 09:02 AM
A players worth should be defined by what he can do for a team on a consistent basis.

Like score? Score buckets of goals? Win games?

If shearer can't get around Ferdinand,Gallas,Silvestre,and all the other great defenders in the EPL then he is rendered as deadweight,just a body on the field.

Couldn't agree more. If. But as that is not the case ...

I fully understand Shearers role as a player and it's to put the ball in the back of the net,and that's all he can do.

You know, repeating nonsense doesn't make it any less nonsensical. You have had the manifold aspects of Shearer's play pointed out to you a number of times, I am not going to go through them again. You either get it or you don't. Your ignorance, your call.

But don't call him the best striker ever to play in the EPL,that's not a thing i can agre on.

Ah well. It's true nonetheless.

Now you can call Newcastle ordinary if you want,but i'll tell you what i guarentee you if they were up for grabs Arsenal,Chelsea and Man U would be after Robert,Jennas,Dyer.

Robert was available as little as six months ago and is only at the club because no one came in for him. Chelsea may indeed find Dyer or Jenas interesting, but that has more to do with their apparent determination to be sole owners of the European midfielder mountain than anything else.

Those guy's are top notch in my oppinion,and i for one think there are suffereing from Shearers god like admiration at the club.

Why? How does it affect three midfielders (one of whom has been a revelation in any case, another who has been almost permanently injured and one more who is the epitome of erratic Gallic flair)? That makes no sense, it's just a sentence for the sake of it.

I think people need to reevaluate what is more important to the team without shearers input,if he's as selfish as Gullit say's. But that's that stubborn English stupidity for you,the reason England will never win a thing,even with some of the ebst players in the world.

And there's another apparently motiveless gaggle of words. Have you switched into autopilot or something?

Sherarer even took himself out of international play,but the Newcastle "faithful" won't let it go.

:rolleyes: Jesus. If ever a post should have ended two paragraphs ago. Shearer took himself out of international play in order to prolong his effectiveness at club level. Result? Since July 2000, Shearer has scored 86 goals in 136 games, Newcastle have had only their second Champions League campaign ever and are now in the QF of the UEFA Cup for the first time since about 1853 (courtesy, in part, to two goals and a couple of astute flick-ons from Shearer). The Newcastle "faithful" (the parenthesis, just by the by, simply reinforces that you are typing without actually thinking here) have every reason to hold on and none to let it go. But then they know the reality of the situation, rather than just guessing at it (badly) from afar.

Look, van Nistelrroy is doing a fine job this season netting goals for a team who base their offence around him,but they have nothing to show for it.If they don't watch out,the young up and commers will look elsewhere to further their careers.


Fixed your quote in the finest tradition of fixing quotes for someone whose lamentable poor grasp of the topic at hand warrants such low-rent mockery.