Yura is not that good (Now with More Statistical Proof!)

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liars, damn liars, and statistics...

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Two things:

1) He isn't in elite company. As my post's title implies, I didn't say Yura sucks (although I can see where that is implied by my strong dislike), I said he's not that good. So in comparing him to those players I think are good, even early in there careers, I think my point is rather clear. He isn't that good.

2) I tried comparing him to other players, but in all honesty there is no one in the league currently that has played as close to as many minutes as he has with so few assists and a less than 10% goal conversion rate. If you can find someone still in the league with as bad statistics over 3600 minutes played in a forward position then I'm all for it, I just can't find one.

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All but pedants see your basic points yergy.

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Right.... but comparing him to GREAT players without giving a baseline of what would qualify as good and what wouldn't doesn't do a very good job of making your statistical point. Those guys are/were great. There have been a few players in this league who have sucked and quite a few who were average, and very few who were great.

You can certainly compare him to players that aren't playing now. The league has been around for quite a while. There are plenty of statistics out there to compare him to others. You have chosen to compare him to the all-time greats and that makes it hard for people to see that you've "proven" anything other than he isn't as good as maybe the six best players in the history of the league. So what? 99% of the guys who have ever played in the MLS aren't as good as those guys. I don't think anybody on this post or this site for that matter think he is better than Brian McBride in his prime.

I think he will be hard to replace though because he does create opportunities for others. Do I have a stat to "prove" it? Yes, in my mind I do.... the team takes tons of shots (or opportunities if you will), and he is on the field a great deal. Now... if the shots continue to stay high after he leaves then you'll have a great stat to help make your point. While he is still playing here? Not so much. Hindsight is 20-20.

I don't think anybody has professed love to him to the extent that you have stated that you dislike the guy. I think people have merely stated that your statistical proof is a little sketchy when you choose players that are far and above others who have played in the league as if people are claiming that Yura is better than them, and I've yet to hear anybody say that. Maybe I just glossed over it... but I've never read that we are better off with Yura now than we would be with McBride, Ching, JK, etc. in their primes. Of course he hasn't reached his prime either, so that's another sticking point.

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I agree that the frame of comparison for that second "still more" post was pathetic. Wow. The OP intended to show that Movsisyan is not very good by comparing him to 6 of the greatest players ever developed in the league. Nobody has ever claimed Movsisyan would ever be more than a solid striker, regular starter with consistent production. It's not like anyone claimed he would develop the kind of club-savior production that you see associated with some players, like Adu.

I've enjoyed this thread. Props to Yergy for doing the work and posting for everybody to read and take a position. I'm supporting the position that Yergy's data is a reasonable demonstration of Yura as a "not yet ready for prime time player".

He does work hard, is big, strong and aggressive. What I've noticed through most of the first half of this season is that opponents simply put a similar individual to mark him. This seems to take him out of his game and nullify him

He's certainly not afraid to shoot--which is a trait that RSL has noticeably lacked over the years. He takes many shots. His success ratio is appallingly low. That's because he cannot finish. When he puts them on goal, he rarely makes the keepers work. He drills it right at them.

For such a tall forward, he's not impressive in the air near the goal. Findley's much better, and that's not saying much.

He doesn't distribute well and I do not get the impression he has the field vision needed by an effective striker

When it comes right down to it, RSL needs someone up front who can consistently put the ball on goal, without sending it right to the keeper. I don't think that RSL has the time to have a stating forward who "has potential". Yura, by his own choice to go to Randers, has given RSL an opportunity to fix the problem. Can RSL make the problem worse? You bet! But the fact remains that having Yura as a starting forward was not helping this team this year.