your referee in Indiana and child labor law

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  1. msilverstein47

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    I'm pretty sure that I once upon a time I attended the harness races in Henderson, KY which can't be too far away.
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    Also a good place to start.


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    We had a mom who complained to the state labor department that her referee child (14 or 15, I believe) was being 'forced' to work four or five games in a day during a summer tournament. The DOL was politely reminded that state law says that soccer referees (yes, specifically soccer) are independent contractors, so, if sonny boy doesn't want to do all those games, he should talk to his employer, which is to say, himself.

    It helps to have had a soccer referee who was also a state senator. :D
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    I see an issue with transporting or inducing minor across state lines for illegal purposes.... Better the kid convince the state house or waits a year.


    And what shocks me about the story is the history of acrimony between red and blue factions in the state.

    48-0? Really?
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    I don't really see an issue. As long as you have the parent's permission he can travel across state lines with someone. His parents could also drop him off. I know there are some referees in that area of Indiana that are basically KY referees due to knowing more people on the south side of the river.
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    I admire his passion and desire to take action.
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    Just because it happens doesn't mean it's legal. I don't know whether it is or not, but it's entirely possible that having a minor cross state lines to work in a state where it's legal is a violation of federal law. Heck, the federal statutes are so ponderously complicated that you've likely committed a federal crime today without realizing it.
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    Heh ... you're even more likely to run afoul of some wacky state law. Google "goofy laws" for some entertaining diversion.
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    Taken from FLSA:

    "Minors under age 16 working in a business solely owned or operated by their parents or by persons standing in place of their parents, can work any time of day and for any number of hours."

    This might be the federal verbiage we are looking for. Couldn't get a definition of "standing in place"

    I'm almost positive with parent's permission you can bring a child across state lines. If it was illegal it would make it pretty hard to take children to even play in soccer tourneys unless the parents were there, which isn't always possible.

    What is up for debate is that I know you can never transport a child for "illegal" purposes. That is kind of a perspective thing whenever you aren't looking at federal law. So is it legal with a parent's permission to take a child from a state where they can't work to a state where they can?

    It's all very gray. I will note that in searching I found a number of states with specific exemptions for minors under 14 as sports referees. Obviously if the federal or even state authorities had a problem here I would think they would act.

    Seems like a bureaucratic nightmare
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    The issue isn't transporting a minor across state lines. It's the purpose for which you are transporting that minor. It's all about intent. The most commonly described example is crossing state lines to have sex with a minor. If you cross state lines for business purposes, and while there you happen to have sex with a minor who is above the age of consent in that state, you've done nothing illegal. But if you cross state lines for the purpose of having sex with a minor who is above the age of consent in both states, you're a federal felon. Why? Ask Congress.

    That question is very tough to answer, since you're dealing with three different sets of laws: The law in the state of residence, the law in the work state, and any prevailing federal law. These laws may not agree, or may even be in direct conflict with each other.

    Not necessarily. As the article mentioned, the practice was only changed after several decades when it occurred to them they might be in violation of the law. They may have been able to get away with it for another ten years, or even indefinitely, but particularly once you're aware of the potential violation of the law you're running a risk every day you do.

    Your tax dollars at work!
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    This thread has taken a left turn.
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    only 1? :confused:
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    much better than a right turn...lol
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    I'm crying foul on this one.
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    Don't hate on Nascar
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    Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do






    (except in Lowell where three lefts typically do a 180). :D
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    Above? Think you meant "not above"?
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    Actually, I meant above. The code I was referring to makes it a crime to travel across state lines to have sex with anyone under the age of 18, regardless of age of consent in either state. I just checked however, and it turns out that this particular section was modified a few years ago to remove that language, so this information may no longer be accurate.

    Anyway, the point is that just because something may be legal in one or even both states, doesn't necessarily mean it's legal to cross state lines to do it.
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    I think making three rights to make a left is the most common way to get around in San Francisco. Left turns are nearly impossible in that town .
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    (except in Lowell where three lefts typically do a 180). :D[/quote]

    so do you happen to know anything about this tournament in Lowell, MA???
    I'd really like to take a drive up and volunteer as a referee in 2013...

    http://iine.us/lowellworldcup/
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    LMAO!!! Especially on Market!! Time restrictions, bus lanes, oh lord.
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    The last time I was in Dijon, you couldn't make a left turn. Light rail construction down the center of the streets had cement barriers blocking you at every intersection.

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