Would a New York City team make the Red Bulls "Chivas 2?"

No.
Since when did Chivas have owners willing to spend like RBNY, and have a roster near as talented as RBNY? There's a much better chance at having a quality rivalry between two NY clubs than the forced, overhyped, doesn't mean crap rivalry between Chivas and LAG.

Chivas's ownership hurts them much more than RBNY. With owners willing to spend I don't see RBNY crashing and burning the way some seem to think. They have invested in a quality product and as long as they're signing guys like Henry and Cahill, fans aren't leaving. A few might, but to the point they become Chivas part deux? Puh-lease.

I honestly believe since the NY Cosmos name carry's weight in NY and even overseas into Europe, S. America, African Nations, etc(since Pele played for them) that EPL fans and American Eurosnobs will give them the thumbs-up and hop aboard thus adding extra cachet making it a sustainable product even in a couple of down years if that were even take place. Of course they will have to field a nice squad with a few big names and win alot of matches. And I can't picture Garber and the league going through all of this for NY2 to become a shitty product down the line. A emir owner from UAE won't let this happen either

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Um-ever heard of Lakers/Clippers (NBA)? And toss in the Islanders in the Devils/Rangers in NHL too.

it won't be the same thing, it is a pain to get to Harrison from anywhere east of BK, Queens, LI, and above mid town.

The only way that a second team in NYC could turn Red Bulls into Chivas is if that second team somehow turns the Red Bull front ownership group into a bunch of racists who spend 5 years marketing their team only in whatever German dialect they speak in Austria, and then further only try to appeal to Austrian's that are fans of Red Bull Salzburg.

The Chivas debacle has absolutely nothing at all to do with the fact that there are two teams in LA. NOTHING.

Chivas has been an abject failure at the gate because their owners have a distaste for Americans and their front office is run by morons.

It means a whole lot when the Chivas USA front office made a point to purposefully ignore the entire marketplace other than Mexicans living in the LA area with their marketing plan.

Considering that Chivas is one of the more popular teams in Mexico, but also is the most hated team by everyone else, the Chivas name was extremely limiting in terms of who would be willing to shell out money to come to a game.

Not only are you limited to Chivas fans living in Los Angeles, but you are limited to Chivas fans who don't mind that the MLS version is a bastardization of everything that the Guadalajara club stands for.

Its a very big deal.

Normally no. In this case....absolutely.

It's an odyssey to get there even from lower Manhattan.

Don't even get me started on the transportation to MetLife for friendlies and NFL games. Such a clusterf*ck every time.

It's one train. One!

If you don't want to support R** B***, then don't. Lord knows I'd buy popcorn to watch their team bus dropped into the Hudson. But when you claim that you won't go because it's too hard to get there, what you're really saying is that you can't be bothered to get there.

One train...that you have to take another train to get to...that you have to wait on a platform for anywhere between 5 minutes to an hour to get on and off of.

Definitely discourages one from making it a weekly trip...which of course a DC fan like you wouldn't care about.

You're a Manchester United fan in New York City. You don't get to question other people's support.

What neighborhood do you live in?

I think someone questioning Q*bert's dedication or loyalty to his team is freakin' stupidly hilarious.

It really doesn't matter. A team in Flushing would get fans that probably don't go out to Harrison now anyway. North Jersey has more than 4 million people which would still support the Red Bulls along with some counties in New York like Rockland and Orange. That's more than enough of a market to fill 25,000 seats on a weekly basis. Some people from Brooklyn would still make it because taking the train to World Trade Center and the PATH from there seems much easier than taking one train to the G to the 7. It's a huge area with a lot of people. Surely the Manhattan folks are on the line but Manhattan only has 1.6 million people which is small if you look at the bigger picture. I'd expect NY2 to be the more glamorous club but they can both survive quite easily and in harmony with one another as long as the stadium is in Flushing.

Yes, but those teams failures have nothing to do with the market's, it's horrible ownership and FO management

lol, this is obviously an look at what type of fan you are, not a realistic criticism of transportation or location of teams.

^^^^^This.

Aside from putting stadium on top of Mount Evererst, location is an infinitesimal factor in the success or failure of a sports team when compared to the competency of FO.

This times a million. There is no comparison between the two. Chivas is probably the most pathetic professional sports operation I've ever seen. Cheap, incompetant owners. If Red Bull didnt change the name of the team everyone on here would talk about great of owners they were.

Agreed, except they didn't just change the name of the club. They changed the raison d'etre of the club.

Not sure that I agree with this.

Yes, the team is one giant branding mechanism. I won't argue with that. But it goes a lot further than that.

The ownership wouldn't be investing so much in players if they weren't trying to win championships. They wouldn't be firing coaches and FO staff if the end goal was simply brand awareness.

And quite frankly, every single sports team in every sport, everywhere in the world is a brand. Real Madrid is a brand. AC Milan is a brand. Manchester United is a brand. Red Bull New York is a brand.

I get that the Red Bull brand is attached to an actual consumer product. But to then twist that into saying that the single solitary purpose of RBNY is to just sell more energy drinks is petty.

It is petty, isn't it?

On-field performance is great and all but brand loyalty is where the real money's at.

You can say the exact same thing about every single soccer team in the World.

Maybe not as bad as Chivas...but without a doubt a New York City team would relegate RB to New Jersey only status and choke them off from any gains in potential market / fanbase from NYC Proper. This is a FACT.

Except that the other brands are long established brands of SOCCER clubs, Red Bull is a self serving brand to market a global lifestyle to sell a product unrelated to soccer. That is the difference.

And yes, look up the Red Bull philosophy, everything they do in marketing budget is designed around prooting the lifestyle and brand to SELL drinks...which drives their bottom line.

Your posting history suggests you're smarter than this.

Yes, we all understand that brand loyalty drives the tribalistic association people all over the world have with their sports teams. Especially soccer teams.

But the step I think you're missing is that R** B*** isn't in the business of owning sports teams for the sake of publicity or even strictly building brand loyalty, as it's customarily known. Rather, they want people supporting their brand, chanting their brand, feeling genuine love for their brand. Of course, that translates not only to sodie pop sales, but it also creates a self-sustaining loop of free advertising. The 10-year-old who chants, "Let's Go R** B***" is hooked for life.

I love DC United, but I don't love Volkswagen (although I probably feel some loyalty since they're attached to my brand). R** B*** fans, whether they want to or not (and I get that many do not), get no such luxury. Every chant, every flag, every song exists for the purpose of selling a drink.