World Cup 2014 Simulator and Match Predictor

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by pirozhok, Apr 22, 2014.

  1. pirozhok

    pirozhok Member+

    United States
    Jul 20, 2007
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Online tool is based on Excel simulator model built by dlokteff, formulas for Elo% come from their site. The Winning % formula was derived by Dr. Lokteff using results of group games from the past 4 World Cups. The games are simulated via a random number combined with those formulas. Ties are broken randomly (we don't simulate scores of games, so no GD).
    Brazil gets extra points for being a host, their opponents have 100 points subtracted.
    FIFA and SPI converted into an "Elo" based on fitting it to a curve based off the Elo ratings and ranking.
    Match Predictor is using the same model, and you have a choice to apply custom weighting factors which will affect probability. Drs. Q., W., Y. have contributed to adapting of simulator model to Match Predictor.

    Tool is hosted on free Web hosting sites, so be patient if site is down or slow, from my experience 1st link is more reliable:

    http://pirozhok.somee.com/sim.aspx
    http://aspspider.info/pirozhok/sim.aspx

    Any feedback, questions, suggestions/ideas, bug reports - feel free to PM or post in the thread.
     
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  2. an1310

    an1310 Member+

    Jun 2, 2003
    Atlanta, GA
    2 out of 3 times I selected this, the US got out of the group. I take this as a good omen.
     
  3. pirozhok

    pirozhok Member+

    United States
    Jul 20, 2007
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Try Match Predictor as well.
     
  4. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sweet we won the 3rd place game in my first simulator. ​
     
  5. pirozhok

    pirozhok Member+

    United States
    Jul 20, 2007
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What ranking system did you use?
     
  6. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    SPI I think
     
  7. aarond23

    aarond23 Member+

    Feb 24, 2006
    Indianapolis
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If we do advance it looks like Belgium is most likely up next and after that Argentina, never easy :)
     
  8. pirozhok

    pirozhok Member+

    United States
    Jul 20, 2007
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Could be Russia instead of Belgium, both teams missed previous WCs, nobody knows how they will do this summer.
     
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  9. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Iran wins the World Cup with this Simulator using ELO. :confused:
     
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  10. pirozhok

    pirozhok Member+

    United States
    Jul 20, 2007
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can't be, prove it with a screenshot.
     
  11. 00Kevin

    00Kevin Member+

    Jun 13, 2006
    SoCal
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Success! After about a hundred clicks, I finally found the perfect simulation:

    [​IMG]
     
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  12. 00Kevin

    00Kevin Member+

    Jun 13, 2006
    SoCal
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's different everytime you simulate it, I got Brazil, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Argentina, France, England, United States, Chile, Mexico, Iran (and probably a few more) all winning at least once
     
  13. Kaptain_Amerika

    Jun 19, 2013
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow! On my first simulation I get the USA as champs! :D

    [​IMG]
     
  14. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Out of the two, I like 00Kevin's better.
     
  15. pirozhok

    pirozhok Member+

    United States
    Jul 20, 2007
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I usually get Brazil as a champ when i run using ELO ratings. Spain, Uruguay, and Argentina come close.
     
  16. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Some team named "England" has won a couple times. Might want to look into that bug for the next update.

    Also, I wonder how long some poor Honduran or Algerian is going to spend trying to simulate this thing until their country wins.
     
  17. pirozhok

    pirozhok Member+

    United States
    Jul 20, 2007
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not a bug, simulator is based on ratings, and UK is #6 in all systems:

    http://pirozhok.somee.com/elo.aspx
     
  18. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Sigh..nerds always miss the joke.

    :p

    Seriously though, very cool, nice work!
     
  20. BeloHorizante

    BeloHorizante Member

    May 27, 2005
    I got the US topping our group (tied with Germany on 5 points, both with +3 goal differential), then beating Belgium and Ecuador in the knockout stages, before losing to Brasil in the Semifinals.

    We went on to defeat Mexico in the third place game.

    Brasil beat Germany in the final.

    this was using ELO.
     
  21. umop_apisdn

    umop_apisdn Member

    Jun 22, 2010
    Midwest
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ran one sim for each of the different ranking systems. Got a final of Brazil over Argentina all three times.
     
  22. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    [​IMG]

    I'll just leave this here.
     
  23. pirozhok

    pirozhok Member+

    United States
    Jul 20, 2007
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All 3 systems we are using are pretty close to each other, so results should not be drastically different.
    If i have time tonight, i will add converted to ELO points column to all 3 ranking tables, so you can compare team ratings using the same base.
     
  24. pirozhok

    pirozhok Member+

    United States
    Jul 20, 2007
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MX will never make it so far, we all know that.
     
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  25. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But if they did and played the US in the final, we all know what the score would be.
     
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