Will Sunil have the courage to make a change if we lose to Costa Rica

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  1. TheNearPost

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    Well? It's a decent question, and I'm sure there are others pondering the same thing.

    After having tried to acquire Juergen for so long, would Gulati really have the balls to fire his favorite German pet? I'm not completely sure. What's worse, I could easily see Sunil deluding himself into believing that it's "for the better of U.S. Soccer," to leave Juergen in charge.


  2. Excellency

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    Maybe some poster shud let us know what the protocol is at US Soccer for such things. No, Sunil will not fire Jurgen. We will be hanging by our fingernails to the end.
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    No. Gulati will not make a change after the Costa Rica game. (regardless of the result)


  5. Jazzy Altidore

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    obviously he'd wait till after the mexico game. if we go 0-3 hopefully juergann will have the decency to resign.
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    At the earliest it would be after the Mexico game. You can't make a change and hire someone between two games played close to each other (3/22 and 3/26).

    That being said, I still don't think Sunil makes any changes regardless of what happens because he's Sunil. He's all in with JK.
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    After Mex game we have 3 games in 12 days in June, so if we at 0 or 1 points at that time (after game 3), US Soccer will have to peer into their crystal ball and try to see the future - either we stick with JK and risk missing WC (if we play the same way as the first 3 games) or fire Klinsie, get emergency replacement from MLS and hope this guy can salvage our mission.
    I personally believe that even if we at 0 points after game 3, Sunil won't change the coach.
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    I pretty much agree with this.

    I think everyone knew the beginning of the Hex was going to be difficult.

    It was sure a surprise to me to see Jurgen throw out the 4-3-3 for what appeared to be a tough match up in Honduras. And then only 2 shots on goal were created.

    Costa Rica is a game we certainly should be expected to win. If we tie or lose, for sure JK will go to Mexico. If we play poorly there, hmmmmm.

    It's a good thing we have a veteran player pool with the quality it has. Transitioning from one cycle to the next can be difficult.
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    As may have pointed out he can't fire Jurgen after Costa Rica. But after Mexico, if we have 1 or 0 points than it seems a no brainer he has to go. But we all know how US Soccer works so logically.
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    They will have another business on their hands - Gold Cup.
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    Can we just get rid of Vasquez and hire a tactician for his assistant? I'm not sure how Vasquez really qualifies for that job. He had a stint in MLS and failed.
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    This, in and of itself, deserves it's own thread. What in the hell qualifies Martin Vasquez to be coaching any national team, even one of a country with a less-than-spectacular (but full of potential) talent pool like ours?

    He lost eighteen matches in one head managerial season at Chivas... He one eight... And drew four. He was assistant to Juergen Klinsmann when he was fired at Bayern Munich. By the way, I am not completely sure what Juergen believed made Martin capable of THAT job, either. Apparently even the women's soccer team the guy coached "folded". Alright, I got that from Wikipedia, and I'm sure there's more to that. Takes more than bad results for a team to just dissipate like that, I imagine. Even a non-professional one.

    But the point is, Vasquez really doesn't have nearly the credentials to be the coach of a national team. Not this one, anyways...
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    Yeah, I feel like this is one of those cases where he is just one of Juergen's guys. The scary thing is I read somewhere that Juergen prefers to just sort of hover around and jump in when he sees something he doesn't like while Vasquez actually generally leads the training sessions... so we essentially have a failed MLS manager running training sessions for our national team. All coaches have weaknesses, but the good ones are aware of those weaknesses and surround themselves with people who make up for their deficiencies. I think Klinnsman failed with that in this case.
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    Totally agree and adds to the general impression that Jurgen doesn't know what he is doing, when this is who he appoints.
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    Like Sunil has the courage to fire himself.
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    I'd like this thread much, much better if the question on the table was Sunil's judgment rather than his "courage."
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    Jeesh, I missed reading this the first time, but now it really jumps out at me. Did the USSF effectively agree to pay JK to be a middle man who then hires Vasquez as the day-to-day training coach? If true, this would be more disturbing than what I've actually been worried about. I've been worried that JK simply isn't knowledgeable and experienced enough to coach a team, but if he isn't actually even coaching, while Vasquez is coaching...???

    Guess I'm going to have to read that relatively new thread about Vasquez.
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    I'm just wondering, do you have a source for this? I'm asking sincerely, thanks in advance.
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    http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/66/u...gg-how-klinsmann-put-together-his-us-coaching
    During the three-week January camp at the Home Depot Center, Vasquez led the majority of sessions. Klinsmann prefers to hang around the edges, pouncing when he sees something that bothers him.

    "He's a perfectionist when it comes down to planning training sessions and to execute them," Klinsmann said of Vasquez. "That's why I give him a lot of freedom to get that satisfaction to run certain things."
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    There was a very astute post recently by Susaeta IIRC that I will paraphrase to say one issue with B.S is when some posters interpret a statement in the worst possible narrow interpretation then argue against that "strawman".

    My first though when reading the section you highlit was; wow that poster has a weird interpretation, how does that scenario differ from every single head coach at any level above U5. Now that I see you taking that poster's interpretation as gospel and pushing it even further, I just go.... wow.
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    It is increasingly bizarre to me that this man was hired to be a head coach, when he doesn't even do the job himself, and the fact that this was information was essentially publicly available. Seems Sunil was star struck.
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    Much like 3/4 of the US fanbase
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    Please note that I clearly noted that I was wondering about the possibility, "if true" in my post. I don't want this to be true. I'm hoping it is not. But I am wondering.
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    If "what" is true? If most training exercises are setup and run by assistants or "trainers" while the head coach chimes in as necessary? For the most part that is absolutely true at most levels above U5!
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    Sorry, I would offer that this is entirely incorrect . .
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