and what makes its people European? By saying that I don't mean that Turks are European. But think about it. There were about 3.000.000 people living in Anatolia before the Turks ever came in and its believed that only 1.500.000 Turks ever came here from Central Asia. And now they are about 72 million. Can you really know who is who? I don't mean that Turks aren't actually Turks. All I am saying is that the problem that we are dealing here is 'defining Europe' and since no one has agreed upon one definition (and I really doubt someone can give us a definition), this debate is just meaningless.