Why Spain May Not Stand A Chance at the Euro Cup

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Roshandel, Apr 10, 2012.

  1. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Everyone would name Beckham in their top wingers list - thanks to his form from 98-02 for ManU and England. Nedved was a special case as he can play wide from wing or middle, agree.

    WINGERS are players who is capable to work on the flank (thin line) from their own half to opponent's top corner - in order to CREATE space for team mates in middle park and provide crossing in ... Most "wide FW" now aday (Robben, Ribery, CR7, Messi ...) started from flank but then TURN into middle box or just passing back ... and running into box - hence made the BOX even crowder !!!

    Most FW today have WEAK in shooting - compare to "pure scorers" of old days in Muller, Batistuta, Romario ... or lesser extent Owen, Klinsman, Crespo ,Vieri, Inzaghi Nisterooy and Trezeguet ... These lads can score from UGLY positions. FW todays running more though - and soemtimes a bit too much like headless chickens ... LOL

    last point, Spain did great from 08-10 with WC210 were a bit more lucky in few games ... Anyhow , park in the bus could stop or reduce "tiki taka" style but not neccessary the"best defense" - for exampel, last WC10, a N.Korea parking the bus OK gainst Brazil, but then FAILED totally against Portugal (as they played WIDER than Brazil and Spain) = last game, China did same and Spain was (once again) excaped with a 1goal WIN at near end!
     
  2. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Their biggest threat is that Spain signed finally international anti-doping protocols in late 2011 and government officials acknowledged in early 2012 that they had a "serious doping problem", in the words of the minister of sports. That is their biggest challenge, maybe.
     
  3. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    there were actual "controversial theory" that FIFA fixed Italy and Spain in last WC's in order to SAVE them from misery (especially in their own leagues crisis)

    But I have no comment here ;)
     
  4. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
  5. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Then everyone would be wrong, because Beckham was not a winger. He was a wide midfielder who could (and still can) cross the ball extremely well.


    Wingers are wide attacking players who are quick, explosive dribblers, good crossers and can take players on 1v1 on the flanks. Beckham was only an extremely good crosser, but he wasn't quick, explosive dribbler who could take players on. Giggs was a winger in those days.

    Ribery, Robben, CR7 and Messi (in his earlier days) are "inverted wingers" playing on the side of their weaker foot. Therefore, they don't look to cross as old-fashioned wingers, but instead look to cut inside, shoot, score, pass. Traditional wingers and traditional strikers have evolved into something else pretty much at the same time in the last decade or so.


    I don't think modern FW are necessarily weaker in shooting. If anything they often have to take more shots outside of the box as they are not waiting for service anymore in the box. They are more mobile and more balanced, capable of participating in the build-up of the attacks, instead of just waiting to be at the end of attacks. It's a result of the necessity for attacking plays to be more flexible and creative in order to defeat well organized group defending.


    [/QUOTE]

    Everyone needs luck sometimes, regardless of what style they use. Brazil and Portugal do not play tiki-taka though. I have no idea why would you use their games vs N.Korea to prove any point.
     
    RoyOfTheRovers repped this.
  6. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Everyone uses some kind of doping until they ban the substances used. Then they discover something else that hasn't been banned yet and so it goes.

    The thing about doping though is that it doesn't help the players unless they are fit and prepared anyway.
     
  7. soccersagacity

    soccersagacity New Member

    Apr 22, 2012
    England
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
  8. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
  9. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Italy had a doping problem in the past and cleaned their mess in court.

    The Netherlands had also their problems with Jaap Stam, Frank de Boer and Edgar Davids in 2001. It was a case pursued by domestic authorities. The FA tried to intervene with arguments like "football is different than other sports" and so on but in the end, the government-backed anti-doping authorities won.

    If you look at Spain, there were no authorities. Because they had not signed international protocols nor made they a priority of it. This is recently admitted by themselves.

    Some even say that it is sanctioned by the government and part of their project since the 1992 Olympics to make of Spain a sports powerhouse.

    In other words. Your excuse "everyone uses" misses the culprit.
     
  10. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    At major tournaments, such as World Cups and Euros, FIFA or UEFA conduct random doping tests of players from all participating teams. Has anyone found out anything about any Spanish players from these tests? No. The only time any of these tests have revealed something was in 1994 against Maradona after Argentina's game vs Nigeria. As a result he was suspended and didn't play against Bulgaria and Romania. In addition, UEFA conducts random doping tests of players from team who participate in the CL and Europa League.

    My comment that "everyone uses" is still valid, because everyone uses some kind of doping, which are still not banned. When the various organizations ban whatever it is being used, a new substances are created. These substances are mostly for quicker recovery of the players between games, rather than to stimulate or enhance performances. However, since it helps with recovery, a recovered player is able to perform better and sooner at his maximum again in the next game.
     
  11. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Just an FYI... There were two others before Maradona who were expelled from the World Cup after failing doping tests: Ernst Jean-Joseph of Haiti in 1974 and Willie Johnston of Scotland in 1978.
     
  12. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    They are not as random as you think. That is: experts doubt whether it is really entirely random.
     
  13. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    The selection of which players from each team test for doping after each game is random. There are occasions when testing is done on a whole team. And those might not be so random, like when UEFA tested Barca's players last year, because some people (*cough*Mourinho*cough*) were starting to get suspicious of them.
     
  14. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Spain practicing their trademark moves during the celebration

    [​IMG]
     
  15. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Don't hate, appreciate!:p
     
  16. directlylaugh

    directlylaugh New Member

    Jun 28, 2012
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    y not ? im supporting spain tho
     
  17. echo201

    echo201 Member

    Mar 17, 2012
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    That's right. anything could happen
     
  18. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    Bump.
     
    unclesox repped this.
  19. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
  20. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Brilliant !!
     
  21. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    lol. Those who made wrong predictions are fools.
     
  22. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    People talked about the Barcelona-Real madrid rivalry spilling over to the national team, but I do not recall the Spainards ever fought each other in a tournament. The Dutch fought all the time in the camp. Now, the French fought in th last two. I reclled the Germans did in the 1980's. The Americans did in 1998. Did the spainards ever fight each other on the camp? I am asking a question, not making a statement.
     
  23. Pedro444

    Pedro444 New Member

    Mar 10, 2013
    Asturias
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    And the champion is Spain. Here is a soccer specialist xDD
     
  24. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    And some posters are making the same mistake by underestimating Spain in the "Who will win 2014 WC" thread. Some people never learn.... :D
     
  25. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Eventhough I am not one of those, but why said so? Do you have a crystal ball ?
     

Share This Page