Maybe Seedorf has ore attacking freedom at his current club, seeing as he is the man for them and he was never the "man" for AC
Pele's GPG ratio at NT was significantly lower than his Club GPG ratio. Also, Messi's GPG ratio for NT as of late (past year and a half) has been equivalent to his scoring rate at Barcelona.
I'm pretty sure he is still lower over the past year and a half, although he did have an increase, because he was around .2 and went up to .4 i believe... But seeing is believing, so let me go look.. 2012 - 1.3 in the NT > 1.26 in Barca 2013 - 0.6 in the NT < 1.2 in Barca
this. Also he was great during his last season at Milan. Best player on the team alongside T.Silva. So it's not like he was shit and then just started to dominate in a so called lesser league
Adriano becomes useless and fat alcoholic in Inter, goes into Brazil and has his best league scoring season ever, comes back to Europe to be laughed out again. 08-09 Inter 3 in 12, 0,25 GpG 09-10 Flamengo 19 in 31, 0,61 GpG 10-11 Roma 0 in 5, 0,00 GpG
Terrible example. Adriano had a whole bunch of non-football related issues going on. Adriano proved that when in decent shape, he could score anywhere.
Exactly. If you look at his goals for Botafogo, it's not as if he is owning defenders. He is being setup nicely in many of those goals.
It's a great example, as it points out one of the main aspects of this thread. In Brazil if you have technical quality you can still conquer, even if you are physically out of it. In Europe you will need both.
That's a very simplistic view that assumes Adriano's physical and mental condition was the same throughout those 3 passages. Not to mention the fact that he got injured early in his Roma stint. It's like ignoring the fact that when Messi wasn't scoring for Argentina, he was playing a deeper position. I bet if Messi goes to Brazil and isn't playing in a stacked team that suits him he won't be scoring 60-70 goals a season. Look at Ronaldinho as well. By that rationale he should be lighting up the scoreboard. His average is very similar to his late years in Europe. Not to mention that many of his goals have come from PKs and some FKs.
Kinda agree but not 100% true. In general (>70% cases) - Brazil, Argentina, Mex and Liga are more open, so technical players shine easier - EPL, Bundesliga, required more physical fitness than talent - SeireA, Ligue1 required more tactical sense, reading games and physical fitness Look at Ronaldo: his goals were SAME form Brazil Cruzeiro95 to PSV96, to Barca97 (nearly 1GPG) only at SerieA he got worse 0.76. So did it mean SerieA> Liga= Holland = Brazil? NO Look at Romario from PSV and Barca (nearly 1GPG) and when he returned to Brazil, his GPG got a it worse (<0.8) Did it mean Brazil league > Liga ? NO Player goals ratio depends on a few things: 1- His form and role 2- His team doing in that particular legaue 3- The league tactics in that particular seasons
Now that's an awful analogy. Ronaldinho became old and fat, useless in Europe, comes to Brazil and has his career suddenly reborn. 10-11 Milan 0 goals in 11 games, 0,00 GpG 11-12 Flamengo 15 goals in 33 games, 0,45 GpG 12-13 Mineiro 11 goals in 34 games, 0,32 GpG Another example to the pile of examples.
Still not figured how the argument is related to the age of player? Romario was at his prime in Barcelona, still scored 22 goals in 31 games in Brazilian league, at the glorious football age of 39. And the pile grows.
He was old and fat in 09-10 ... scored 12 goals had 16 assists in 36 games. 3 goals in 7 games in the CL.
Are you telling me that he didn't follow the normal ageing that every other human being follows? And was still the same age two years later?
but also note that at 35,36 Romario was still playing great like a worldclass striker in Brazil shirt (at WC02 QUAL ) so?
Drogba @ 29 - 8 goals, 19 games @ 30 - 5 goals, 24 games oh look, he is aging ... there is no way back ! @31 - 29 goals, 32 games All at Chelsea.
or like Van Persie, Diego Forlan, David Villa, Anelka .... they were better at "older age" (28,29+ than younger ages <26)
Adriano then goes back into being an alcoholic in Brazil and gets laughed at.. His story is of a personal problem. Not a competition problem.
11 games? that's your sample size? you're just discrediting yourself in front of ANYBODY that follows football statistics.
Romario was at his prime between 1994-2002... you just didn't get to see him during his incredible years.. actually you did! he scored during that time most of his 55 goals for the Brazilian NT (which he wasn't a part of during his Barca time)
Young Neymar in Brasileiro 10, 17, 13, 14 goals per season, more mature and wiser Neymar in La Liga 9 goals after missing like millionbillion chances. Classic example of big fish in small pond, Neymar and Brazilian league.
Naivety and fanboyism BLIND people ! I posted this before and you should STUDY it? Barca forwards WITH MESSI 2013-14 .....GamesGoalsAssists Fabregas... 11........ 2........... 6 Neymar..... 12....... 2........... 6 Pedro........ 13........ 4............ 2 Sanchez..... 12........ 5............ 0 Total 48 13 14 Maybe Messi should be absent more often so that Neymar and his team mates can score more>? http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25654224 http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/ed...-score-every-32-minutes-with-or-without-messi GamesGoalsAssists Fabregas 11 2 6 Neymar 12 2 6 Pedro 13 4 2 Sanchez 12 5 0 Total 48 13 14 GamesGoalsAssists Fabregas 16 9 6 Neymar 12 9 3 Pedro 15 11 3 Sanchez 12 6 5 Total 55 35 17 GamesGoalsAssists Fabregas 16 9 6 Neymar 12 9 3 Pedro 15 11 3 Sanchez 12 6 5 Total 55 35 17
Classic excuse of undeveloped mind. If you can't score with Messi, you aren't really a goal scorer. Few examples. Even the last one was an offside. Neymar has followed Robinho's footsteps to this point pretty much to the letter.