I admit i didnt see much football pre 1990, but if what your saying is that gazza played the best part of his career out before he was 23, then you can't say he is anywhere rooneys talent. the 1990/1991 season was good for gazza, but it was his last decent season, as at the end of it was when his injury problems began. post 91, what did he have? a good game v scotland in 1996, a couple of years north of the border playing in the barbarian leagues, wow, what an achievement. that puts him right up there with such world legends as ally mccoist and rod wallace. yes, at lazio, he shone at times, but was injured far too much to call his tenure there a succesful period. he would not have had more than half a dozen decent games, after all he played only 46 times in 3 seasons, with a staggering return of 2 goals per season average. in mentioning the three above players in conjuncture with the question i posed was to point out that fergie did not always get the best out of the most talented players, and that some did a) go off the rails b) get too big for their boots and not listen to fergie c) and that some players did fail under fergies tuteledge. not that ince, whitehside or sharpe were similar to gazza in any way, or that their problems or expulsions from OT were similar. basically, gazza could have been many things, but his career was too short to say what he could have been. I also hold a certain player who never got to see a career beyond his early 20s up to unbelievably high standards, Duncan Edwards. from what i have read this would have been one of englands greatest ever players, maybe even the greatest. he won 2 championships by age gazza was at 1990, and had also won games for england against the likes of germany in germany (when they were world champions) and also brazil, with most of the side that would go on to be world champions. from what i have read he had everything that a player could possibly want or need to have to succeed, and had already done more in the embryonic part of his career than most do in its entirety. but i cant go around saying that he was better than Bobby Moore, even though positionaly, Moore might have never got a game for the NT if Edwards had lived. the real gazza never lived long enough to make a decent value judgement of his career. it is only because he developed at a time when english players were trained with such little regard for technical wizardry that he stands to for so many. he peaked before he was even 24 years of age. in any other country such as france, brazil, italy or spain, he would have been forgotten long ago.