maybe you should be focusing on better raft building techniques for your people before coming and 'criticizing' others : TRAGEDIA / EMBARCACIÓN ECUATORIANA HABÍA ZARPADO ILEGALMENTE DESDE ESMERALDAS En bodega viajaban hacinados 100 desaparecidos en naufragio Los ocupantes, todos ecuatorianos, estarían intentando llegar ilegalmente a E.U. El hundimiento ocurrió el viernes cerca a Malpelo y solo han sido hallados nueve sobrevivientes. TUMACO, BUENAVENTURA Y BOGOTÁ El hacinamiento de pasajeros en la bodega de una embarcación ecuatoriana es una de las explicaciones al mayor naufragio ocurrido en jurisdicción colombiana en los últimos años y que deja hasta el momento un saldo de 100 desaparecidos y cuatro personas muertas. La mayoría de los ocupantes no habría alcanzado a reaccionar al hundimiento de la nave, que ocurrió el pasado viernes, porque permanecían ocultos en la parte inferior de la embarcación. El caso solo fue conocido por las autoridades el pasado martes cuando fueron hallados nueve sobrevivientes. La embarcación, que partió con 113 personas, habría tomado la ruta de manera ilegal el jueves pasado desde el puerto de Esmeraldas (Ecuador), pero por condiciones que aún no han sido plenamente establecidas naufragó en aguas del Pacífico, en cercanías del islote colombiano de Malpelo. Su recorrido ilegal, que se demuestra en el hecho de que no hubo reportes de salida de Ecuador, se debería a que estas personas estarían intentando llegar ilegalmente a Estados Unidos, dijeron fuentes de la Capitanía del Puerto de Manta, en Ecuador. De acuerdo con informaciones preliminares, uno de los nueve sobrevivientes, que fueron rescatados por el pesquero Don Felix, de bandera ecuatoriana, le reveló a las autoridades de ese país que los viajeros intentaban llegar a Guatemala, continuar a México y posteriormente a Estados Unidos. Esta persona también contó que cien personas estaban dentro de la bodega y se hundieron con el barco, dijo una fuente de la Armada de Colombia. Trece ocupantes que estaban en la parte superior del barco sobrevivieron sostenidos en trozos de madera, pero cuatro posteriormente se ahogaron. ‘Pocas probabilidades’ Se espera que en las próximas horas lleguen a puerto ecuatoriano los náufragos, siete hombres y dos mujeres, que son trasladados por el pesquero y custodiados por la guardia costera. “Son informaciones fragmentarias que nos ha llegado sobre el naufragio, pero es necesario esperar a que los sobrevivientes lleguen al puerto de Manta para que rindan declaración de lo ocurrido”, dijo el capitán de navío Jairo Javier Peña, comandante de la Fuerza Naval del Pacífico. La embarcación –al parecer un barco costanero grande construido en madera– no tenía nombre, lo que ha dificultado establecer detalles de su partida. El capitán Peña explicó que como se trata de aguas internacionales, aunque sea en jurisdicción de Colombia, las embarcaciones no necesitan un permiso especial para su paso. Por su parte, las autoridades de Manta consideran que hay “pocas probabilidades” de encontrar con vida a los desaparecidos, “Hay una intensa búsqueda por parte de la Marina ecuatoriana a través de sus capitanías de puerto y el comando de guardacostas. Se está trabajando en el área norte del país”, dijo el capitán del Puerto de Manta, Armando Elizalde. Añadió que la embarcación que naufragó seguramente iba con sobrecupo. “Por lo general, son embarcaciones menores de una eslora de 12 ó 14 metros de largo, a las que una ola las vira al sobrepasar el peso que pueden resistir", expresó. Elizalde indicó que cuando la gente se embarca en ese tipo de naves, tienen que viajar en las bodegas, “de tal manera que van en un hacinamiento total, donde reina un terrible hedor”. ARMADA AYUDA EN EL RESCATE Desde las cinco de la mañana, y durante ocho horas un avión tipo Casa CN-235 de la Armada Nacional de Colombia sobrevoló las aguas del pacífico, donde supuestamente naufragó el barco ecuatoriano, pero no localizó a ninguna de las víctimas. Desde el martes a las 6 de la tarde, cuando las autoridades ecuatorianas reportaron a la capitanía de puerto en Tumaco (Nariño) sobre el siniestro, se iniciaron las labores para apoyar la búsqueda de las víctimas. Dos buques –El ARC Buenaventura y el Jaime Cárdenas– partieron hacia la zona para iniciar un barrido, dijo el capitán de navío Jairo Javier Peña, comandante de la Fuerza Naval del Pacífico. Tanto la aeronave como los buques cuentan con radares, censores y equipos de comunicación que permitirán detectar si en el área hay flotando personas o elementos. Se calcula que los buques llegaran en unas 25 horas al lugar. “Trataremos de ampliar el rango de búsqueda con base en la corriente marina y las condiciones de tiempo”, dijo el capitán peña.
and another thing, although I agree the FIFA ranking system is subpar, you know that as soon as your little football country gets a better ranking then us (of course it wont happen), you would be hear yappin'... and you better pray Ecuador beats Bolivia, 'cause if you guys fail to secure your needed 3 points, then I'll make sure to look for your sorry ass everyday on these forums and remind you who's your daddy!...
calm down boys and girls the crack snort remark is out of line in a futbol duel! I just issued red -NEGATIVE- REP POINTS FOR THAT tactless poster.
you guys are king of excuses and try to come up with something to justify your weakness. just realize your "sugar" snorting team is not better then Ecuador. We will be in Germany, no doubt in my mind. and we beat you with half a team we don't use, and with a "sugar" snorting coach too. just coz Bolivia made you guys bend over and scream like b******, doesn't mean we Ecuadorians do that. you say we need altitude to win? i am tired of putting up our records against teams who are better then Colombia. and you had a rough week ifsr1544?? what happened, did someone steal your "sugar"?? hahaha it was probably dapip or Higuita...
To all my Ecuadorians! Better calm the freak down, cause everything is too close to say that we are in! Also, stop with that we didn't have all our guys, and blaming coaches stuff! stop finding excuses! that is for all the posters! Also that Raft building comment was just a low blow! that was wrong man! you better appologize for that to the one above! If Ecuador and Colombia make it to the WC, I'm going to be really happy cause they both play good soccer! I really don't like Uruguay plays! Start making smart comments! some of you guys don't sound too bright with the stuff that you guys post from time to time! May be best team win!
I don't care what you think, who makes you the spokesman for Ecuador? I say what I want, and if you don't like it, then piss off dude. If you wanna love Colombia, sugar daddy land, then smoke it, drink it and whatever else they do with it. I just care about my team, my motherland, my family and my girl.
Well, I do not think that much people values what comes out of your mind, as far as I'm concerned, it is the same that comes from your back side.... Eliminatorias: 15.11.2003 ASUNCIONParaguay (PAR)vsEcuador (ECU)2:1 (1:0) 08.06.2005 BARRANQUILLAColombia (COL)vsEcuador (ECU)3:0 (2:0) 30.03.2004 BUENOS AIRESArgentina (ARG)vsEcuador (ECU)1:0 (0:0) 30.03.2005 LIMAPeru (PER)vsEcuador (ECU)2:2 (1:2) 10.09.2003 MANAOSBrazil (BRA)vsEcuador (ECU)1:0 (1:0) 05.09.2004 MONTEVIDEOUruguay (URU)vsEcuador (ECU)1:0 (0:0) 04.06.2005 QUITOEcuador (ECU)vsArgentina (ARG)2:0 (0:0) 27.03.2005 QUITOEcuador (ECU)vsParaguay (PAR)5:2 (2:2) 17.11.2004 QUITOEcuador (ECU)vsBrazil (BRA)1:0 (0:0) 10.10.2004 QUITOEcuador (ECU)vsChile (CHI)2:0 (0:0) 05.06.2004 QUITOEcuador (ECU)vsBolivia (BOL)3:2 (3:0) 02.06.2004 QUITOEcuador (ECU)vsColombia (COL)2:1 (1:0) 19.11.2003 QUITOEcuador (ECU)vsPeru (PER)0 :0 06.09.2003 QUITOEcuador (ECU)vsVenezuela (VEN)2:0 (1:0) 14.10.2004 SAN CRISTOBALVenezuela (VEN)vsEcuador (ECU)3:1 (1:1) As visitor: 1 draw, 6 defeats, 13 goals allowed, 4 goals scored As local: 7 victories, 1 draw, 17 goals scored, 6 goals allowed Copa America Peru Lost 3 games, 2-1 against Mexico, 2-1 against Uruguay, 6-1 against Argentina, sent home packing in the first round in a tournament that only eliminated 4 out of 12 teams. And that was just in your neighborhood!!! Talk about a team with split personality... Tu tambien sufres mamitis? You have been Proved wrong!!!! Better something classy than the fumes of supergoma!!! Hey maybe that's why Higuita is retiring in Ecuador
Nope, you didn't prove anything, just how stupid you and a country who's hero and proudest son is a drug cartel. pathetic... you are pathetic man. such a dumbass you are. in copa america, we had a crappy old team. i am not going through this again. all i know is you're just a dumbass "sugar" snorting pig and you will never admit you and are inferior. It's okay, cheer for us in the WC, again, just like last time and get used to it bud, coz Uruguay is going, not you guys. I know it looks bad, but they will make it somehow. we didn't lose to Panama and Bolivia... heheh....
you and all the stupid ecuas who make stupid comments make me the spokeman! BTW this is not against other ecuas who post constructive comments! There are some of us who have some knowledge about soccer and an open mind to be able to analize things from other perspectives than of a child looking for attention and validation of his short minded thoughts
haha you're the one making stupid comments. look, we can disagree, that doesn't make you right, or me right. and what you just said to me, say to those "sugar" snorters, and see if they cooperate. they don't analyze, they don't even know our team, that we should have had a penalty and drew away to Brasil, that we lost to Argentina away just by a single goal, and Paraguay too, and while we still had guys on our team who were way overdue. looks to me you have no idea what you are talking about. just go shake your fat ass at a salsa club man... but save us your dumbass comments.
Oviously you didn't even read my post ALL THE WAY! I did mentioned something to the Colombians as well! you wanna hear a dumb ass comment here is one! Yeah, And I can dance so what! I used to play really good soccer once too! I trained w/ the best and played w/ the best in Guayaquil at one point in time! But do I need to mention that to you to try to validate my point! I have always made constructive criticism in these forums! If you want me to put my foot in the mouth then show me some light! Make a valid argument with the other guys from the forum! Instead of this name-calling stupidity! and where is this guy who ovbiously lost his sense of sensibility! BTW Ciclon_Ecuatoriano, I didn't see you pick up on this one! where is your love for the motherland??
hey, about that raft thing... it was a low blow, so low, I didn't even want to mention it. I hard the same things happen to Colombians too, but I am not that low to brag about that. i didn't lose my senses, but these Colombians are pissing me off, and seems to me you side with them.
for real man......i dont know who betto thinks he is. he definately doesn't speak for me. But Ciclon, dont even bother with him or the colombians. its gonna go back and forth. they have no common sense. it is stupid for them to talk about the raft story. Colombians have more reason to leave Colombia than Ecuatorianos to leave Ecuador. Your president ask ours to help you with your terrorist, and lots ofs your your people immigrate to Ecuador. So dont bring up about the raft story. You're in no position to do that. It happens to all countries in South America. You think Colombians dont do that? ******** YOU! and betto....it is all a matter of opinion. CE thinks your a dumb gay ass (dancer lol) and you think he is a dumb ass....no sense in arguring you are not a spokesman so dont try to mold people like clay....just continue getting your ass served at the salsa contest, aight? we cant agree to disagree so lets stop the useless arguements.
I'm not taking their side! I'm just saying for people to stop assuming that we are in the WC already! we are still 3 points away and anything can happen! Specially w/ some of our key players not doing so good in their clubs! DLC is not playing regulary, Valencia just came out of preseason, Bambam has not played in the last couple of months, Tin is injured!
Hey man, I'm not trying to mold anyone! Arbol que nace torcido jamas su tronco endereza! Just let these MF's know that we have class and not get to their level! That is all I saying! BTW, not all dancers are gay! Specially if you are a pro salsa dancer! you don't know how many girls you can hook up with! But I have been w/ my girlfriend for 3 yrs and everyone knows her! So I won't even dare to mess that up! Look for Orville Small in Toronto! He is a dancer and he can pull a lot of skirt!
let's stope this arguing like boys. the teams will face eachother in a few weeks, then let the trash talking begin!
That is what I'm talking about! Let's wait until we are in the WC and let the results speak for themselves!
Sadly, whatever team happens to finish in 3-5th place in our WCQ, won't do much damage in the WC. I think the gap between 1st and 2nd (cough, cough Brasil and Argentina) and the rest of the teams is in fact, quite a gap. Good luck however.
yeah! but I think that these both teams are on their own level right now! I don't think that anyone is going to be able to knock them down in the WC! if they play smart and are careful they can both go all the way
and yeah, there is a big gap between the 3-5 teams and the rest, we are going to Germnay, sadly, 6-10 will not...
Very true, but I was just responding because he said that they will get results in the WC, but they won't.
that's exactly right! Making it to WC '06 is just the 1st objectivefor any team. You Ecuagayrianos would think you would have won something already! BUT you'll never win crap at NT level or club level...and I like it that way... peasants!
PEASENT? haha.....since when was colombia all of a sudden not a third world country? face it there is not much difference between our countries in terms of economy besides that you make yours by exporting ****s and we export our fish, bananas and oil. i never said we won the WC i am just excited because while me may not be mathamatically in the WC, we have the odds to go. it is like saying colombia has c****...which they do! we will go! and i have to disagree with farfan. last time we were a learning side in the WC. This time we have more experience so i wont be suprised if Ecua get out of the group stage.
