They have both been terrible, and have had slight false dawns in my opinion (the odd goal recently does not make a player.) I would say though, I think Torres will move on whereas Carroll will be at Liverpool for the long term. A lot of the talk about strikers fitting in at LFC is slightly misguided in my book, as an out and out target man can fit in IF the team plays well. They haven't.
Interesting couple of weeks for this debate. Both have started to look very good. Torres' goal against Barca was very well taken and his hattrick at the weekend was also very impressive. Torres seems to be playing pretty well at the moment.
Andy Carroll. NO doubt. With the success Torres had in the euro's, he will make a huge difference in Chelsea. Carroll will just be another striker in the prem.
Personally I find it a bit reactionary to suddenly change your opinions based on an interntional tournament.
I wouldn't say judge them yet, I'd say after this season coming up you can judge them. I wouldn't be that surprised if torres gets 20+ goals this seasons and carroll gets 15+ goals.
Torres is a proven player looking to rekindle his career. He may not show any magic like back in the old days, but he will still score plenty of goals as we witnessed in Euros. Carroll, on the other hand, is a one-dimensional player with limited abilities. He may flourish under certain tactics to utilize his big physique, but like I said, his limited abilities hinders the team's flexibility of game plans. He may grow up to be an average EPL striker, but will never live up to the price tag. So who's the flop? It's quite obvious.
Torres, right? Going by your descriptions Torres is the far better player so for both of them to have had similar times at their new clubs suggests that Torres has flopped more.
Part of the reason carroll was so expensive was because of his age too, if you think he is currently fully developed as a player you are naive. He's not the most mobile but he just doesn't suit liverpools style of play, say if he did go to villa or fulham he'd score 15+ goals as well as bring a lot to the team.
Next season will decide this one but I think whilst Torres is the bigger flop he is undoubtedly the more talented player and he should come good. Carroll may well never recover his form at Newcastle
Silly question. Torres. Torres went from being the most deadly striker in the world to a joke. Carroll never got a proper run of games and when he did he wasn't that bad. Shame he can't stay fit. He wasn't worth the money he went for. But he's not a bad center forward by any stretch of the imagination.
This season Torres has scored 19 goals in 53 appearances or 1 every 2.7 games Carol has 5 goals in 21 appearances or 1 every 4.2 games. These stats don't really reflect what your saying about Carol being the better striker do they!?
Neither has 'set the world alight' however I'm just saying a 19 goal return is substantially better than a 5 goal return.
How does the goals scored for West Ham make Carroll a bigger flop at Liverpool? Since they've both mad their respective moves one has accumulated 14 league goals to the others 11, the major difference is that Liverpool have decided to cut their losses loan him out(2m fee) and let another club pay his wages while Cheslea continue to pay Torres £175k a week(90k more than Carroll) and have sacked a Prem winning manager and CL winning manager in an effort to accommodate Fernando. Even without the transfer fee Torres has cost Cheslea a huge amount of money and he was rated as one of the best strikers in the world when he signed so by financial and expectations alone Fernando has been the bigger flop. I dont see how it can be argued otherwise.
Nevertheless you cannot argue with the plain fact that Torres has scored fourteen more goals than Carrol this season!
So has Jamie Cureton for Exceter City. He plays for a better team, hasnt suffered as many injuries and played against some poor teams in the cups. Apart from Arsenal, and maybe Newcastle, none of his goals have been against quality opposition. How on earth he only managed one against Villa in the 8-0 win is beyond belief.
Torres for sure, and yes I am probably looking through red tinted glasses but hear me out. Torres cost 50 million will leave for nothing and a majority of the time was in the way more then being effective. Carroll cost 35 million (mind you it was basically Chelsea's money) and will leave for a minimum of 10ish if not more just by virtue of his age and the fact that he is English. Net loss Torres was twice as expensive and is not twice as good. So bigger flop.