exactly. not enough of this going on. too many people yelling at kids telling them what to do and how to do it etc...none of that. just let them figure it out.
onyewu started at age 20 at metz a ligue 2 team. altidore really started developing when verbeek got him and wasted the rest of his time. davies started at swedish club hammarby. bradley developed at herenveen under verbeek again...we have much to thank him for. edu is one I give you him. torres was trained by pachuca since 2006 when he was 17. gomez didnt get it together till he went to mexico but we did develop him but thats actually not a good thing considering we developed him and he didnt blossom till 28-29 years old. tim howard? thats unfair. US is always known for great keepers. So yeah most of the guys you named not developed by the US.
I mean yes Bradley and Altidore got some MLS stuff but mostly they got it from playing in the youth world cup. thats how they got exposure. then they were really developed by a great coach.
I don't agree with your "spectator sport" argument. The mainstream American fan appreciates winning, winning, winning, winning, winning, winning, winning and physicality. It's entirely a sum game in our country, nothing more. I mean, how can the USWNT capture so much primetime fan-fare when the men's game is so much faster and more stylish? They win.
Ive been working on a new website about the USMNT youth prospects. I have to tell you the differecne between the the classes of 1989-1991...compared to 1992-1995 is STARK. 92-95 is loaded with talent. 1991 (our 20-21 year olds) is the worst year for talent. That's why there is this gap between the old core and the new blood. 1991 has Terrence Boyd and.....maybe 3 fringe USMNT level talent The next generation is coming soon...most of them should be ready by 2018 and 2022.
The 1992s were Jack Mack's U17 WC team, and the standouts were Jack Mack and Palodichuk. As a group they were distinctly average.
Noooo. The standouts of the team were gyau, lleget and renken, that's why they were snatched up by overseas clubs. Jack Mack chickened out of Vitesse to go to MLS and has suffered for it. Palodichuk went to college and as expected fell off the map. I watched alex shinsky who is from that group last nite and another talent wasted by the college system. He got dropped from u18 natl team squad in 2011 for Villareal, never to return.
Off the previously mentioned Nesta interview : http://www.beyondthepitch.net/artic...act-and-impressions-mls-and-alessandro-nesta/ (professionally translated from the Italian) He is diplomatic here but there inference is pretty damning. If the league is more athletic - and I have been making this assertion for half a decade - than even a top Euro league like Serie A, it already has a leg up in competitiveness but the fact that it hasn't produced stars despite its athletic advantage implies that the tactical-technical coaching is weighing it down at a rate much greater than the players athleticism is propelling it up. In simplified terms, if the league is rated a "5", it is an average of it being an "8" athletically and "2" technically-tactically. Unfortunately, many MLS/USMNT fans won't ever admit to it.
Just a snapshot of the generation gap. Here's the Antigua and Guatemala roster, minus goalkeepers: 1979 - 2 1980 - 0 1981 - 2 1982 - 3 1983 - 0 1984 - 2 1985 - 2 1986 - 2 1987 - 2 1988 - 0 1989 - 1 1990 - 1 1991 - 0 1992 - 0 So from 1987 (25-year-olds) to around 1981 (31-year-olds), the team is pretty even. There are also two older players (Bocanegra and Cherundolo) and two younger players (Danny Williams and Joe Corona). For comparison, here is the squad Germany called up for their most recent qualifier: 1979 - 0 1980 - 0 1981 - 0 1982 - 0 1983 - 1 1984 - 2 1985 - 1 1986 - 0 1987 - 1 1988 - 5 1989 - 4 1990 - 3 1991 - 0 1992 - 1 It's certainly a dramatically younger team; the U.S. called in seven field players older than any German field player, and they have 13 players born in 1988 and after where we have 2.
Amobi Okugo is a 1991, and is shaping up to be more than a "fringe" prospect at center back. There are a couple of good defensive prospects in that year, and defenders tend not to develop as early. That said...I think you're also always going to see more talent at 19 than you see at 21, because at 19 you're happy with potential, and at 21 much of that potential won't have worked out. A few years ago, people had higher opinions of 1991s like Zarek Valentin, Kofie Sarkodie and (potential citizen) Danny Mwanga than they have now. Odds are a few of those talent-laden 92-95s will be in the same boat in a couple of years. Or, more likely, they'll ride the Brek Shea rollercoaster up and down for a few more years before we get a really good sense of their potential.
I remember in the last mid-decade people making their predictions for the 2010 roster with Chad Marshall and Chad Barrett ... and that was a couple of hanging chads too many. (tribute to the election)
Best prospects: 1989: played for Klinsmann: Danny Williams, Altidore, Sean Johnson The rest: Adu, R. Bocanegra, Wooten, T. Taylor, Bruin 1990: played for Klinsmann: Shea, Chandler, Hamid, Corona The rest: Diskerud, Morales, DeLeon, Jeffrey, Sheannon Williams, Bunbury 1991: Played for Klinsmann: Boyd The rest: Rowe, Valentin, McMath, Okugo, Sarkodie, Greg Garza, Adrian Ruelas We don;t have the same makeup as Germany casue, right now, we just don't have good players in those ages. Not sure why that is, but looking at these names you can tell we have harvested as much talent as we could from these years. 1991 is a dumpster fire. So many MLS and Europe washouts, lots of unattached players and guys playing in the 6th division in Germany. 3rd division Croatia. Not good at all. For the 92's things start looking better... 1992: Agudelo, Gatt, Lletget, Kitchen, Gyau, Jan George, McInherney, Alvarado, Span, Wood 1993 (probably our best year overall): Gil (RSL), Brooks (Hertha Berlin), Hurzueler (Bayern), Villarreal (LA), Packwood (Birmingham City), Salgado (Vancouver), Ocegueda (Tigres) , Bijev, Joya (Santos), Kiesewetter (Hertha), Cropper (Southhampton), Cunningham (Molde)...plus alot of MLS guys and 2nd division/youth team level European players 1994: Pelosi (Liverpool), Guido and E. Rodriguez (Tijuana), Mendiola (LA), Fehr (Basel), McBean (LA), Dunn (Belgrade), M. Rodriguez (Kasierslautern), Toljan (Hoffenheim), Olivera (Genoa), That's a good point. It's a lot easier to look back than forward. However if you go far into the 1991 class, there are so many guys that just washed out. Way more that 1989 or 1990. It just seems like we got cuaght with a dead year. It just seems with the later years, its a lot more guys in European club systems..more professional. From my database. Clubs of 1991 prospects outside the top 15.. Loaner is in parenthesis.. Ft. Lauderdale Strikers (D.C. United) Colorado Rapids Ventura County Fusion Austin Aztex Chicago Fire Premier Cal FC Unattached Minnesota Stars FC Unattached Unattached Unattached Blau Weiss Gottschee Minnesota Twin Stars Chicago Fire Premier Central Jersey Spartans Ft Lauderdale Strikers S.C Olhanense (Maccabi Haifa) FK Zeljeznicar KSV Roeselare (Chivas USA) Althletico Bucaramanga (Houston Dynamo) Itagui Ditaires BV Cloppenburg Club Tijuana
From Jermaine's Q&A with ESPN in May. Although I'm sure that Reyna's manual will send a lot of college programs the right direction, this here is pretty damning.
VS. ITALY: Altidore, Jozy F 6-1 175 11/06/89 Boca Raton, Fla. AZ Alkmaar (Netherlands) 45/13 Bocanegra, Carlos D 6-0 170 05/25/79 Alta Loma, Calif. Racing Santander (Spain) 100/12 Boyd, Terrence F 6-0 180 02/16/91 Berlin, Germany Rapid Vienna (Austria) 0/0 Bradley, Michael M 6-2 175 07/31/87 Manhattan Beach, Calif. AS Roma (Italy) 63/9 Buddle, Edson F 6-1 185 05/21/81 New Rochelle, N.Y. LA Galaxy 10/3 Cameron, Geoff D 6-3 185 07/11/85 Attleboro, Mass. Stoke City (England) 3/0 Cherundolo, Steve D 5-6 145 02/19/79 San Diego, Calif. Hannover 96 (Germany) 78/2 Dempsey, Clint M 6-1 170 03/09/83 Nacogdoches, Texas Tottenham Hotspur (England) 82/24 Edu, Maurice M 6-0 170 04/18/86 Fontana, Calif. Stoke City (England) 31/1 Goodson, Clarence D 6-4 180 05/17/82 Alexandria, Va. Brondby (Denmark) 27/3 Guzan, Brad GK 6-4 210 09/09/84 Homer Glen, Ill. Aston Villa (England) 19/0 Howard, Tim GK 6-3 210 03/06/79 North Brunswick, N.J. Everton (England) 72/0 Johnson, Fabian M 6-0 155 12/11/87 Munich, Germany Hoffenheim (Germany) 2/0 Kljestan, Sacha M 6-1 170 09/09/85 Huntington Beach, Calif. Anderlecht (Belgium) 34/4 Parkhurst, Michael D 5-11 155 01/24/84 Providence, R.I. Nordsjaelland (Denmark) 11/0 Rimando, Nick GK 5-11 180 06/17/79 Montclair, Calif. Real Salt Lake 6/0 Shea, Brek M 6-3 180 02/28/90 Bryan, Texas FC Dallas 10/0 Spector, Jonathan D 6-0 180 03/01/86 Arlington Heights, Ill. Birmingham City (England) 33/0 Williams, Danny M 5-10 175 03/08/89 Karlsruhe, Germany Hoffenheim (Germany) 4/0
I'm guessing, but he probably meant not only the players currently in MLS but the ones that started professionally in MLS as well, which would include the majority of the players on this squad. Our youth talent is reflective of the teaching/coaching they receive. The coaching has gotten better than it was but it needs significant improvement for us, as a nation, to consistently produce top youth talent.
Kljestan 2006–2010 Chivas USA 114 (15) Altidore 2006–2008 New York Red Bulls 37 (15) Bocanegra 2000–2004 Chicago Fire 87 (5) Bradley 2004–2005 MetroStars 30 (1) Dempsey 2004–2007 New England Revolution 71 (25) Goodson 2004–2007 FC Dallas 74 (3) Edu 2007–2008Toronto FC 38 (5) Parkhurst 2005–2008 New England Revolution 115 (1) Spector 2003 Chicago Fire Reserves
Here's the thing. Sometimes the prospects hidden in Euro reserves are assumed to be better than the youngsters we see on a weekly basis in MLS. It's called "Vincenzo Bernado Syndrome." What has Sebastian Lletget actually done in his career? Seemingly nothing other having a nice ESPN article written about him in 2010. You can count the number of posters on this board who've actually seen him play in club football on one hand. Of the 92's, it's Perry Kitchen that is coming on strong. I thought Kitchen had a strong year in MLS. He's not a flair player, so people don't necessarily focus on him. But he's a guy I think is well on target to get USMNT caps........................