Where is the Example of a Conservative Utopia?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Deep Wilcox, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
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    Manchester United FC
    They get tge summer off. They quite and do what?
     
  2. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
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  3. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can't blame him. Good thing that they are afraid of anything east of 9th Avenue.
     
  4. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
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    Atlanta
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    --other--
    May God bless your English teacher's tortured soul.

    Pumping gas, shining shoes, sweeping the streets- anything that pays more than teaching is on the table. You'd want summers off, too, if your next check depended on being able to educate someone whose lifelong dream is to remain ignorant and whose right to that dream is protected by family and community alike.
     
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  5. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
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    Manchester United FC
    I remember my HS English teacher Mr Webel. He was about 6'2" 240 lbs. We played the faculty in a 2 hand touch game.I wanted to play against him because he was the biggest teacher plus he was a lay teacher and not Marist brothers like most of the other teachers.

    I fucccked him up in that game. I guess he retired after 20 yrs on a pension. He was a real success story. He was a joke :)
     
  6. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Teachers in my district make about $25,000 fresh out of college with the majority making upwards of $75,000.

    I don't know where you live, but if your shoeshine guy or gas station attendant is making that kind of coin, I need to move.
     
  7. MattR

    MattR Member+

    Jun 14, 2003
    Reston
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    DC United
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    United States
    Hey nickliano, your daughter went to public or private school? Public or private college?

    I'm thinking the Marist brothers weren't teaching at a public school.

    Either way, the fact that your daughter wasn't killed by salmonella at McDonald's is due largely to job-killing government regulations about beef, food preparation, and water quality. The fact that she wasn't killed by some car accident is due to job-killing government regulations on transportation, auto safety, alcohol driving limits, and traffic laws.

    I love the invisible hand of the market as much as the next guy, but if a sausage company kills a bunch of people and goes out of business... yes, the market has spoken, but a bunch of people have died, too. And all those companies with salmonella spinach? Probably too big to fail.

    Look, I understand the American Myth states that we all do everything on our own, but along the way our entire infrastructure and personal health safety depend on job-killing regulations. Our educational system, the road and train infrastructure, the schools that teach us and our potential employees -- all these had some hand in our ability to succeed.

    And even you probably have a teacher or two that taught you something, although apparently not that English teacher.
     
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  8. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  9. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Hey - that's just the magic of the free market. Don't hate da playa, hate da game...and hate those rich teachers and firemen.
     
  10. Iaquinta

    Iaquinta Member

    Jan 8, 2007
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    They have some great Italian food in Windsor, too. The food on the menu is actually spelled correctly and the cuisine is closer to traditional than anything in the States, which is now completely Americanized. And Cheetah's is not too far away ;)

    One of the perks of living near the border is that I can always go to Canada.
     
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  11. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Almost page 7, still no utopia.

    I have Germany, Sweden, The Netherlands, Denmark, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand on my side. Eight terrific countries with people who are happy where they live, prosperous, peaceful.

    You have nothing. Your politics are an act of faith.

    I reject your faith.
     
  12. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    Chile and Colombia work for me.
     
  13. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Millonarios Bogota
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    Colombia
    Colombia is a lot like the Guatemala described in a previous post....


    Plus paramilitary, guerrilla a crumbling infrastructure, 80% of the population in poverty, high inequality, a inoperative justice system, a corrupt police and congress, just to give you the highlights….

    I really do not know that much about the Chilean economy or government but chances are that they're more on the Social-Democrat range of the spectrum...
     
  14. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
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  15. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
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    I went to catholic school with Marist brothers. I like those guys. My daughter who lives here went to St. johns my other daughter the socialist went Columbia University. Won some awards in German language and culture and spent a semester in Germany. Fell in love with the place and moved their after a half a year in Sweden. Won some award for Swedish language and culture.
     
  16. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    1) You are talking about Colombia circa 1993
    2) No, you really don't know about Chile
     
  17. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I think that is not accurate. Don't know the current requirements, used to work with a construction company there but that was 14 years ago and things have changed. Back then you had to finance at 24% annual (or more), 20 years maximum and 20% Down, my understanding is that all that have changed. I think that banks there will be happy to help you but you will pay probably 12 or 14% interest...
     
  18. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fail. Show me a country with the population of the US where your ideas work.
     
  19. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I don't have a problem what anyone makes. If it is a lot of money they were smart enough to be able to make it good for them. Some people like to complain about others success and cry about their failures and their lack of success. Those are weak people. I dislike weak willed people. They deserve what ever they get.
     
  20. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    Very good, I think we have a winner.

    To be fair, I would pick Turkey, a semi-religious party, conservative, not sure how their taxing system works but if they are like the Greeks then they probably pay no taxes.

    Lets all move to China then.
     
  21. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
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    Chicago Fire
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    United States
    You certainly are a persistent troll.
     
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  22. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    Really dude? How many countries have the population of the USA?
     
  23. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    hahahahahaha... You don't know squat about Colombia... You really things have changed that much?

    From El Espectador today's cover page:

    http://www.elespectador.com/

    - Former Bogota major corruption trial to continue today.
    - Initiative to revoque Congress to be discussed. First congressmen to be questioned today.
    - Left Congressman: "They were going to attack me with rockets"
    - Colombian indians ask Police and Farc to stop hostilities..
    - Ex-governor found guilty in dealing with paramilitary
    - Biggest lake of the country being depleted due to improper and illegal fishing
    - Americans in Drug dealer party were not policemen but musicians.

    Regarding Chile I clearly stated I don't know much, but by Repug standards they are filthy socialist:

    According to the CIA World Factbook, Chile's "sound economic policies," maintained consistently since the 1980s, "have contributed to steady economic growth in Chile and have more than halved poverty rates."[20][21] The 1973-90 military government sold many state-owned companies, and the three democratic governments since 1990 have continued privatization, though at a slower pace. The government's role in the economy is mostly limited to regulation, although the state continues to operate copper giant CODELCO and a few other enterprises (there is one state-run bank). Chile is strongly committed to free trade and has welcomed large amounts of foreign investment. Chile has signed free trade agreements (FTAs) with a whole network of countries, including an FTA with the United States that was signed in 2003 and implemented in January 2004.[26]

    The Chilean government conducts a rule-based countercyclical fiscal policy, accumulating surpluses in sovereign wealth funds during periods of high copper prices and economic growth, and allowing deficit spending only during periods of low copper prices and growth. As of November 2011, those sovereign wealth funds - kept mostly outside the country and separate from Central Bank reserves - amounted to more than $18 billion. Chile used this fund to finance fiscal stimulus packages during the 2009 economic downturn.
     
  24. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hell yes, all those trafficked children that are sold to the sex slavery industry deserved what they got, they were weak willed.

    Next time I see a homeless Veteran on the street I will spit on his face and tell him to "get a job you crazy fuck" just for you Nicklaino.
     
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  25. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    China and India are growing rapidly with large central government involvement. They are successes by any definition, and they are not conservative successes by any definition.
     

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