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Discussion in 'Euro 2012' started by ineedanewname, Jun 13, 2008.
Then all 3 will have the same amount of point and GD?! 3 PK shoot outs? haha
No, in such a scenario Italy will qualify.
How do you figure that? If that situation happens France and Italy go to PK's.
If Romania loses 3-1 then it's going into Cards and such.
courtesy of that italian 2.364 coefficient per 7.07 subsection f i believe.
It's the old Mussolini rule, now called the Berlusconi rule
No you can only have pens if only 2 teams cannot be seperated on the criteria before penalty kicks.
If Romania loses 3 -0 and France and Italy get a score draw then all 3 teams will be on 2 pts and with -3 goal difference.
So the first criteria is number of pts gained in the games between these 3 teams. The games against Holland are not included in this criteria. Italy, France and Romania will have 2 pts each and cannot be seperated.
The next criteria is goals scored in the matches between these 3 teams. If Italy and France get a score draw in their match then Italy go through. They will have scored 1 more goal than France did when they played Romania, and at least 1 more goal than Romania did when they played France.
If Italy and France get a no-score draw in their match. Then Italy and Romania each will have scored 1 goal in the matches between the 3 teams and France will have scored 0 goals. So it would come down to Italy and Romania.
In such a scenario penalty kicks cannot be used as Romania and Italy will not be playing against each other. Then it goes to qualifying coefficient and Italy have a better one than Romania. Italy would qualify.
I'm sitting here and wondering why (other than being good sports) Holland should NOT roll over and let the Romanians perhaps beat them!
If I were Van Basten, I would rest my team against Romania and tell them that they are not to shoot on goal under any circumstance. Telling them to 'lose' might be too much, but UEFA only has themselves to blame for what would be a brilliant piece of gamesmanship. Because the tournament does not allow teams on each half of the brackets to meet until the final (why???), Holland could not be criticized from trying to keep Italy and France out of their way so soon again, in a semifinal.
Beating these teams once is a huge accomplishment. Beating them twice in Mt. Everest.
Why wouldn't Holland want to see a Spain v Romania winner in the semi instead of Spain v France/Italy? Spain hasn't seen the Dutch or a tough opponent, so who knows? And if Romania got through, the Dutch would be motivated to beat them for the first time in the tournament, and right the wrong they themselves would have made for the Romanians.
If Romania loses 3-1 and France-Italy is a score draw then Italy qualify. This because Italy will have scored more goals than Romania and France in the games between these 3 countries.
If Romania lose 3-1 then they can still qualify if France - Italy is 0-0. In such a scenario then Romania and Italy will both have scored 1 goal each in the games between the 3 teams and france will have scored 0 goals. So it would be between Italy and Romania and the next determining criteria is goal difference between ALL games in the group (ie adding in the Holland matches). Romania would have a goal difference of -2 and Italy a GD of -3. So Romania would qualify.
What will happen when Romania won't lose to Netherlands and Italia - France will end with a draw?
Romania will go thru, that is for sure
But the funny part is: Italia and France have to do penalty kicks to determine the .... 3rd place
Am I right?
If Romania lose to the Netherlands:
The winner of Italy-France will advance.
If Italy and France draw:
Italy will advance if the Italy-France match is a score draw (ie 1-1, 2-2, etc).
If Italy-France ends 0-0:
And Romania lose by 1 or 2 goals, Romania will advance.
And Romania lose by 3 goals and score at least 1 goal, Romania will advance.
And Romania lose 3-0 or by more than 3 goals, Italy will advance.
In a three way tie, it is broken by goal difference and then goals for only in games between the tied teams.
How is it that Italy goes through if they tie France 3-0? If that happens, they would have achieved the exact same results as Romania? That hardly seems fair?
If Romania lose 3-0 and France and Italy draw 0-0 then romania, France and Italy all end up with 2 points and a goals ratio of 1-4.
However, as someone stated earlier, a mini table would be drawn up with results between the three sides only counting. Therefore, France would automatically be elminated as they didn't score any goals between them. It would then be between Italy & Romaina. I guess it would be Italy who qualify due to the coefficient rule or whatever.
If Italy and France get a scoring draw and Romania lose by three goals... yeah Italy qualify automatically.. so yeah, France really have to go for it. I guess there's no chance of a penalty shoot out, no?
You meant 3-3, rite? In this case, Italia had scored 4 goals in the matches between 3 teams, France had only 3 and Romania had only 1.
As I said, penalty shoot out only when Romania won't lose and the game between ITA-FRA ends with a draw. The penalty is for ... 3rd place
If ITA-FRA draw 0-0 and ROU lose 3-0, then it goes to qualifying coefficient between Italy and Romania I think.
Excuse me. I totally screwed that up. What I meant was is how does if Italy go through if Romania also loses to the Netherlands 3-0? They would have achieved the exact same result. The coefficient business is a crock.
Doubt it will happen anyway. Netherlands have nothing to play for in the final group match and France and Italy could cancel each other out. Romania should also be fairly confident going in given their results against the Dutch in qualifying.
if italy and romania achieve the exact same results, then italy goes through on tournament rule 7.07 subsection f:
(f) Coefficient of points from the last two qualifying competitions for the final rounds of the 2006 World Cup and Euro 2008 (points gained and divided by the number of matches played).
i didn't do the math, but this guy did:
coefficient business may be a crock, but is it any more of a crock than "fair play" or "drawing of lots"?
LOL! And Nicholas Anelka would still refuse to take one.
I have no clue. I would just feel awful if I were a Romanian fan and it turned out that way.
I don't see the dutch just showing up and allowing the Romanians to walk away with it.... I always would love to see a real battle between France and Italy and France come out the winner but thats me!
Netherlands and France
But the thing is it benefits the Dutch a lot more to see Romania advance than it does to see France or Italy. Which of those three teams would you rather play twice?
Didn't the Romanians win 4 pts off the Dutch in qualifying? At this point, they seem like the scarier opponents. The French have looked terrible all tournament.
Romania owned Holland during the qualifying round. The revenge factor must play into the minds of MVB. Furthermore, if Holland loses, it will be bad psycohologically for the team to do so poorly against the same team three straight times. Holland will try to beat Romania for psycohological factor. They can meet in the semi-final again. I see Holland beating Romania by 1 or 2 goals, but no more. Van Basten needs to slow down his team..... the Final is not even halfway.
Don't forget Romania is also missing 2 starting players now, 1 is suspended and the other was involved in the mid air crash with a teammate and is out for the tournament since he needs surgery. (no idea who it was sorry)
So while Holland will not put up their best squad, there is still hope for the French and Italians since Romania will have to make at least 2 chances to their team too.
So while Holland will not put up their best squad, there is still hope for the French and Italians since Romania will have to make at least 2 chances to their team too.[/quote]Which means Chivu falls back and low and behold, Piturca goes for another nil-nil.