What format do you want for MLS cup?

Discussion in 'MLS: Commissioner - You be The Don' started by Boloni86, Nov 1, 2013.

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What format do you want for MLS cup?

Poll closed Dec 20, 2013.
  1. Current format

    45.7%
  2. 1 game final at neutral venue

    26.1%
  3. 2 game aggregate

    15.2%
  4. Best of 3 (including variations of first to 4 or first to 5)

    6.5%
  5. Don't want playoffs altogether.

    6.5%
  6. Other

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Kot Matroskin

    Kot Matroskin Member+

    Aug 10, 2007
    SF Bay Area
    Football Manager simulation. Duh.
     
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  2. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I don't think that is necessary.
     
  3. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    See, here in lies the problem. We all want the format that comes up with the best team holding a trophy; we're arguing about what standard would be used to find the best team. When you say something like "find the best team", you're skipping the discussion and just posting a meaningless tautology
     
  4. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Fine.

    The best four teams from each conference play a home and home playoff. The "winners" of each playoff series, play a home and home playoff for the "Conference title".
    The winners of each Conference play in MLS Cup.

    Or, we skip the playoffs all together and the Best of the East plays Best of the West in MLS Cup. One game, winner takes all.

    Happy now?
     
  5. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This has the same problem: "take the best teams..." You need to define what you mean by best, otherwise we'll spend too many pages of posts arguing about definitions instead of ideas.
     
  6. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Okay, once and for all, the best teams are the teams that have the most points at the end of the season. That is the only possible criterion we can use.

    I have no interest whatsoever to "spend pages of post arguing" about anything with you, and especially this.
     
  7. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What if we use the criteria of "advancing farthest in an elimination tournament"? Is that not even possible
     
  8. dundee9

    dundee9 Member

    Jan 13, 2007
    3 teams from each conference

    top team from each conference gets bye

    teams #2 and #3 play home and away. Winner plays team #1 home and away

    MLS Cup Final at neutral ground
     
  9. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    So we play an 8 month grueling season for a 3 week flash in the pan playoffs that only 1/4 of teams play in?

    Seems crazy to slash the playoffs down when that should be the showpiece event for the league
     
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  10. dundee9

    dundee9 Member

    Jan 13, 2007
    Yeah, 1/4 of the teams making the post-season sounds about right. I only want the best teams in the post-season.
     
  11. scott47a

    scott47a Member+

    Seattle Sounders FC; Arsenal FC
    Feb 6, 2007
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While I agree with you that the Cup final needs to be the signature event for the league, I tend to look at the MLS Cup Playoffs as a post-season tournament, not part of the season. To me you win the season by having the most points during the regular season. Then a handful of the teams with the highest point totals are invited to a post-season tournament called the MLS Cup.
    I'm sure others see it differently. But I sleep well at night with this thought in my head.
    Given that I have no problem with a three-week tournament post-season.
    I don't fool myself, though. The guys that control the purse strings will want more teams in the playoffs, not less. I can't imagine a scenario where they don't expand the playoffs by the time we get to 24 teams.
     
  12. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    I get that. I just think Americans when they hear playoffs they think of a month long event with several teams and participants and lots of twists and turns. A more minimalist approach would be a disappointment to most I would think. I think our playoffs are kind of thin as it is ...
     
  13. MattND28

    MattND28 Member

    Jan 10, 2014
    I hope someday the big game can be held at a neutral site (warm weather)

    Massive stadium

    Oh and change the name from MLS Cup to the MLS Final and the Cup to the Garber Cup -- he's earned it.
     
  14. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    See every MLS Cup prior to 2012...

    Its already called the Philip F. Anschutz Trophy....
     
  15. MattND28

    MattND28 Member

    Jan 10, 2014
    Yeah, I mean that MLS Cup in Toronto was just scorching hot and I realize it used to be neutral site but that's why I said it in a future tense of hoping that someday it will return to neutral sites and be in large warm weather stadiums.

    I did not know it was called the Anschutz trophy but I do know that's a terrible trophy name and it should be Garber Cup -- the guy has been a billion times more important than Anschutz.
     
  16. scott47a

    scott47a Member+

    Seattle Sounders FC; Arsenal FC
    Feb 6, 2007
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seriously???
     
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  17. MattND28

    MattND28 Member

    Jan 10, 2014
    Any rich boob can splash some cash around.

    Not any commissioner can jump into a league in the situation this league was in in 1999 and turn it all around. Ask the USFL, XFL, NASL, UFL, WHL, ect. ect. ect. commissioners.....
     
  18. scott47a

    scott47a Member+

    Seattle Sounders FC; Arsenal FC
    Feb 6, 2007
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Without that particular rich boob there would be no need for a commissioner because there would be no league
     
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  19. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's my format for MLS Cup.

    Round, translucent, narrow at the bottom but widening towards the top. It should have a diamond-pattern engraved in the outside, and there should be handles on both sides so the Champions can drink champagne out of it.

    You're welcome.
     
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  20. MattND28

    MattND28 Member

    Jan 10, 2014
    But that's not true.

    Like I say any rich boob can toss money around -- just ask the NASL.

    BTW, you can say Apple wouldn't exist if a rich investor didn't find Steve Jobs and his friends in their garage one day. He's the one that showed them the ropes and took them to another level that they'd have never achieved but no one remembers him because any rich person could do that. Only Steve Jobs could make Apple, Apple. Only Don Garber could make MLS what MLS is today and becoming tomorrow. Just look at the old NASL, the new NASL, and MLS before Garber. You sell him short if you say he isn't the single most important figure in MLS history.
     
  21. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Anschutz hadn't bought (at one point) 6 of the 10 teams the league would have folded. So yeah, its true.
     
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  22. MattND28

    MattND28 Member

    Jan 10, 2014
    So I guess we can kiss Columbus Day goodbye and say hello to the Monarchs of Spain Day because ya know, without their financing it would never have happened in the first place!

    I'm right, you're wrong. End of discussion.
     
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  23. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FYP
     
  24. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm going to nail Hilary Duff tomorrow. I'm right, you're wrong. Period. End of discussion.
     
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  25. MattND28

    MattND28 Member

    Jan 10, 2014
    Cool story. Don't care.

    Maybe you can go find some more threads to over-moderate.
     

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