There are somewhere bettween 20 and 50 first generation Mexican-Amercans playing in Mexixos develpmentall teams.Quite a few playing for Tigres. Is the USSF keeping an eye on these guys? Hard to know. Does anyone know exactly who they are and what teams they play for?
I'm sure they keep an eye on a small number of players they know about but really doubt they know the exact number and who the players actually are. Especially when the players come and go at will. One week they maybe training or trialing with a team and they next thing you know they are back at home. I think it's just too soon to start tracking every Mexican American in the lower divisions until they get to the reserves squad imo. The vast amount of resources to keep tabs on these kids, who the majority may never get first team minutes is just too much.
Out of the vast pool of Mexican-Americans, very few have managed to make it through to the first team thus far. Torres, Ponce, Orozco-Fiscal. You could could Ricardo Bocanegra, although he grew up in Mexico. There's still time for some of the others, but the attrition rate has been very high.
Not meaning to be rude, but are you sure about that? In Orozco and Torres' generation (86s and 87s), there weren't many Mexican-Americans heading south, yet those two plus Castillo have all earned caps. In addition, Vidal, Ochoa and Guadarrama are all still active in their careers. I'm not sure what the right frame of comparison is, but that seems a lot more successful than the usual 1 in 20 players who make it.
As some people have pointed out there are a lot of kids down in Mexico with the fuerzas basicas (Academy) but I'm sure us soccer has gotten better at tracking them. Mexican clubs know about the quality thats in the US and have made more of an effort to find players. Especially clubs like TJ Xolos (Corona, Guido) Santos (Castillo, Joya) and Tigres (Ocegueda, Garza).
If you're good enough you'll get a chance, regardless of where you're based. Just look at this list and see all the Mexican-Americans based in Mexico who got called into camps for the last U-20 cycle. https://www.bigsoccer.com/community/...-by-the-numbers-update.1506339/#post-22386721
Sure, that's true (and I completely blanked on the Tijuana guys for some reason), but there have been dozens and dozens of Mexican-Americans at the U15, U17, and U20 levels who haven't made it. I'm at work, but I think I could dig up an old list at home if I have time. Keep in mind that there are a lot of guys who never garner much more than a brief DMN mention on BS, so there have been more than most people think.
Yep, and the ones that have, we've gotten in the US squad. With the exception as you note of Bocanegra, who spent all of 4 months of his life in the US and Ponce, who spent more time in Mexico than the US, but who could reasonably be counted as a loss.
We don't necessarily hear about the group of kids that "don't make it." Or we forget about them quickly. Emilio Orozco, formerly of Tigres, is now in the NASL for Fort Lauderdale. Kevin Huezo, formerly of Pachuca, has disappeared. I don't know what happened to Ernest Nungary of Morelia, but he's not listed on their roster anymore. I could go on...................but you get the idea. There are A LOT of kids in Mexico from the US........most of whom we won't hear from again. At the start of the 2011-2012 season this was our Yanks Abroad list of US-eligible players in Mexico (last name first): Acuña Sanchez Isaac 1989 Merida FC Mexico 11/12 Alvarado Aispuro Ventura 1992 Club America Mexico 08/09 Andrade Enriquez Brandon 1997 Club America Mexico 11/12 Arce Juarez Fernando David 1996 Santos Laguna Mexico 10/11 Arrieta Suarez Mario Andres 1992 Club de Futbol Indios Mexico 09/10 Avalos Mendez Hector Miguel 1991 Club Deportivo Oro Mexico 11/12 Barajas Leonardo 1995 Limoneros de Apatzingan Mexico 10/11 Beasley DaMarcus 1982 Puebla FC Mexico 11/12 Becerra Quijada Daniel 1993 Estudiantes Tecos Mexico 10/11 Bolivar Grijalva Ernesto 1991 Club de Futbol Indios Mexico 09/10 Bornstein Jonathan Rey 1984 Tigres UANL Mexico 10/11 Cadena Marco Antonio 1992 Indios Cucapa FC Mexico 11/12 Carranza Ambriz Adolfo 1993 Club Deportivo Acatic Mexico 11/12 Casas Mendoza Emilio Alejandro 1994 Tigres UANL Mexico 11/12 Castillo Carillo Noel Alberto 1988 Bravos de Nuevo Laredo Mexico 11/12 Castillo Carillo Edgar Eduardo 1986 Club Tijuana X de C Mexico 11/12 Chavez Badillo Carlo Ivan 1997 Club Tijuana X de C Mexico 11/12 Chavez Cardenas Julio Cesar 1996 Valle de Grullo Mexico 11/12 Chavez Juarez Jose Adan 1992 Zitacuaro Mexico 09/10 Cornelio Frias Hector Daniel 1996 Club Tijuana X de C Mexico 10/11 Corona Crespin Joe Benny 1990 Club Tijuana X de C Mexico 09/10 Corona Torres Xavier 1992 Club Tijuana X de C Mexico 10/11 Daniel Gonzalez Eduardo 1991 Club Deportivo Oro Mexico 11/12 de la Torre Muciño Diego Javier 1984 Deportivo Toluca FC Mexico 05/06 Delgado Cha Hector Gabriel 1993 Club America Mexico 10/11 Diaz Y Diaz David 1994 Club de Futbol Pachuca Mexico 11/12 Flores Hernandez Cristian Francisco 1992 Club Tijuana X de C Mexico 10/11 Frias Flores Jaime Jr. 1993 Chivas Guadalajara Mexico 09/10 Garcia Montoya Emilio 1994 Club de Futbol Pachuca Mexico 08/09 Garcia Romero Jose Rigoberto 1991 FC Bavaria Tultitlan Mexico 11/12 Garibay Ayala Edgar 1997 Club Tijuana X de C Mexico 11/12 Garza Early Gregory Martin 1991 Club Tijuana X de C Mexico 11/12 Garza Garza Victor Hazael 1992 Tigres UANL Mexico 08/09 Gasga Alan Steven 1992 Chapala Mexico 11/12 Gomez Herculez 1982 Estudiantes Tecos Mexico 11/12 Gonzalez Fernandez Ruben 1997 Club Tijuana X de C Mexico 10/11 Guadarrama Bermudez Sonny Alejandro 1987 Atlante FC Mexico 10/11 Guerrero Loomer Austin Henry 1989 Tigres UANL Mexico Guerrero Prado Mario 1992 Alto Rendimiento Tuzo Mexico 11/12 Hernandez Garcia Joaquin Alonso 1994 Club de Futbol Indios Mexico 09/10 Huezo Leyva Kevin Salvador 1991 Club de Futbol Pachuca Mexico 10/11 Jacquez Cortez Cesar 1994 Club Tijuana X de C Mexico 10/11 Jiménez Díaz Milton Santiago 1992 Club de Futbol Indios Mexico 09/10 Ledezma Cardenas Mario Anjel 1990 Chivas Guadalajara Mexico 08/09 Lopez Campa Francisco Javier 1988 Deportivo Guamuchil Mexico 11/12 Luna Martinez Uvaldo 1993 Tigres UANL Mexico 08/09 Magana Cisneros Bernabe 1993 Pumas UNAM Mexico 10/11 Maldonado Mauricio 1996 Reales de Puebla FC Mexico 11/12 Martir Campos Luis Alberto 1995 Chivas Guadalajara Mexico 10/11 Medina Meza Daniel 1993 Tigres UANL Mexico 10/11 Menchaca Mejia Victor Amado 1993 Reboceritos de la Piedad Mexico 11/12 Mendez Luna Andres 1992 Real Magari FC Mexico 10/11 Mendoza Knauss Alexander Brett 1990 Pumas UNAM Mexico 08/09 Montiel Elizalde Juan Justino 1994 Atletico Cocula Mexico 11/12 Morales Zavala Julio Cesar 1993 Chivas Guadalajara Mexico 10/11 Muniz Trejo Michael Kevin 1990 Techamachalco Mexico 11/12 Navarro Villalobos Jacobo Jerzai 1994 Heroes de Caborca Mexico 11/12 Navarro Zermeno Daniel Alejandro 1991 Tigres UANL Mexico 10/11 Nungaray Arce Ernest 1992 Monarcas Morelia Mexico 09/10 Ocegueda de Albo Juan Pablo 1993 Tigres UANL Mexico 08/09 Orozco Fiscal Michael 1986 Club San Luis Mexico 11/12 Orozco Gonzalez Moises 1992 Tigres UANL Mexico 09/10 Orozco Plascencia Emilio 1992 Tigres UANL Mexico 10/11 Pacheco Gutierrez Ivan Antonio 1993 Soles de Ciudad Juarez Mexico 10/11 Padilla Cisneros Jesus Andres 1987 La Piedad Mexico Loan-11/12 Palma Vega Victor 1994 Deportivo Corregidora Mexico 10/11 Peinado Diaz Luis Alberto 1992 Club de Futbol Indios Mexico 09/10 Perez Aguilar Justin Allen 1992 Rayados de Monterrey Mexico 07/08 Ponce Briseno Miguel Angel 1989 Chivas Guadalajara Mexico 09/10 Ponce Rodriguez Juan Manuel 1992 Nuevos Valores de Occidente Mexico 11/12 Quevedo Arvizu Saul Hiram 1997 Club Tijuana X de C Mexico 11/12 Ramos Solano Jesus Ricardo 1994 Club de Futbol Indios Mexico 10/11 Rochin Rivera Jesus Alfredo 1994 Tigres UANL Mexico 09/10 Rodriguez Loera Esteban 1994 Club Tijuana X de C Mexico 11/12 Romero Haros Roberto 1992 Real Zamora Mexico 11/12 Ruelas Aguilar Gustavo Adrian 1991 Jaguares de Chiapas Mexico Loan-11/12 Ruiz Hernandez Ismael 1992 Tigres UANL Mexico 09/10 Ruiz Jr. Juan Jose 1997 San Luis FC Mexico 11/12 Ruiz Velasquez Ricardo 1993 Indios Cucapa FC Mexico 10/11 Sanchez Cantu Erik Eliud 1994 Santos Laguna Mexico 11/12 Saucedo Najera Cirilo 1982 Club Tijuana X de C Mexico 11/12 Torres Mezzell Jose Francisco 1987 Club de Futbol Pachuca Mexico 05/06 Treviño Uranga Luis Alexander 1997 Tigres UANL Mexico 11/12 Vasquez Palacios Angel 1992 Zacatepetl Mexico 10/11 Vidal Amaro Marco Antonio 1986 Club Leon Mexico 10/11
It would be a lot more relevant to see this list from at least five years ago, because 1. There weren't nearly as many Americans in Mexico then. 2. We have some clarity about how they turned out This is why I suggested we focus on 86s and 87s, rather than speculating about the future of current 21-year-olds. I'd also discard a lot of names as irrelevant. We shouldn't lump together the players at Pachuca or Tigres with the ones from Limoneros de Apatzingan.
Kevin should try out with Chivas USA they are looking for Mexican-American players. But MLS should make it easy for those kids who don't feel safe in Mexico to get try outs with our league
Hmm, someone named Kevin Huezo turned up this summer playing for Ft. Lauderdale Schulz Academy in the PDL. May or may not be the same guy, but if it's him, it's not a good sign seeing as the team was the only one in the PDL that went through the whole season without earning a point.