I joked that maybe she'll be easier to communicate with through telegraph. The Dynamo should really learn Morse code. I think we're missing out an opportunity to be annoyed by not having more people like her. :/
Any other business trying to cater to two diametrically opposed market segments (soccer moms and SG intense fan types)? It's quite a challenge. MLS doesn't know what to do. Just a 411. The person in charge of overall security at the stadium worked before at Home Depot and is aware of MLS Cup 2011 incidents. Let's just say that all SGs have to watch it this time. Sounds like WE is an initiative to negotiate/compromise. We all wish we could do whatever we want whenever we want all the time. Freudian psychologists refer to that as the "id". It's in all of us. Reality is people pay the price trying to do so. You either negotiate with the world around you or...
I generally agree with you. I do think SKC did a great job of designing a stadium with three distinct experiences. The supporters have their own entrance, pub and their own area that only they can sit in. Prawn Sandwiches have deluxe boxes with great views and cavier. Soccer moms have their areas. PTL has a similar gig but not quite as distinct. The endzone is Timbers Army land and they OWN it. The new renovated area is for Prawn Sandwich types. The cross stands, the old baseball stands, along the bench sidelines are for the regulars.
First of all, what the hell happened to Big Soccer? When did this happen? Now, I've read through this thread and I've been to the website and frankly, I'm still confused as to what the goal of this group is. Is it to unite the SGs into a loose knit coalition while allowing them to retain their authority? Is it a vehicle to encourage non-SG participation and involvement in game day atmosphere? Is it both? I honestly don't know. Maybe I'm just an idiot. If it's the first, then frankly, I don't care. Not to sound selfish but that's for the members of the 3 SGs to concern themselves with and they need to be the ones that determine their own fate (whatever that is). If it's the second, then great but it doesn't really seem to be. Of the 8 executive council positions, 6 are awarded to SGs and 2 are "at-large" and even those two are appointed by the other 6 for the first year. That makes it seem much more like a vehicle to bring the SGs together for discussion amongst themselves rather than to bring in the "normal" fans opinion and encouraging fan interaction outside of the SG sections. And if so, that's fine, but then just leave off the whole "getting everyone involved" stuff because it doesn't belong...at least not in any real way.
They apparently did all this to stop clutter on their servers, apparently they did this by bringing all that clutter to the site itself. It happened sometime last weekend. You really shouldn't be complaining about it, or Mr. @cougarclaws will call you a troll just because you have an opinion that goes against his.
Ponce. With due respect I think your being unfair. I did not take any of CougerClaws earlier posts to in anyway suggest that disagreement or counter-opinions were not welcome. He clearly welcomed them. I think because you have a lead a line of questions and even scepticism you took his comments as aimed at you. I did not see that at all. You seem to be scepticle but your voicing your scepticism and your reasons. Knowing our boards CougarClaws is reasonable to expect troll like responses. Responses that attack him or are not really on point. We've seen a couple of them. I would not put yours in that category and I don't think it is fair to say that CougarClaws will call dissenting opinions Trolls.
It seems to me the #1 purpose of the WEH is to respond to the league's decision to require a unifying charter for Houston Supporters Groups with a Code of Conduct. I take my hat off to CougarClaws for taking that responsibility on and getting it done. It needed to be done. As stupid as the league has been no SG is going to win a showdown with them. CougarClaws, and his collaborators didn't stop at the minium though. They are outlining a proposal for a unifying organization that would serve the SG's purposes but leave them independent, aggregate the SG's for purchasing economies of scale, provide a vehicle for non-supporters to be supporters and participate in gameday atmosphere, and give back to the city. I absolutely applaud CougarClaws for his vision and willingness to stand up and give it a shot. I see parts of his proposal I would probably modify and I feel welcome by him to propose such -- if I get off my ass to do something. I commend him for not sitting on his and forming a vision and pushing it. Even if his vision does not become real he will have solved a problem for all Supporters with the League, and will have tried. Bravo.
http://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/a-call-to-arms-we-want-our-stadium.1288136/ ^^ The original Dynamo Supporters Alliance. We had a reason to come together and WE did it without any help from the Front Office and MLS, plus no one made us do it to begin with and we did it on our own. No one had to sign crap, we did it like Houstonians ....we put down our beef for the good of the team.
In our boards, he is cool with trolls. He wouldn't want his image of acceptance to be dirtied up. However, in practice he'll be a tad uninviting.
Do you see how much you mention @cougarclaws? That's the biggest problem with this whole thing. He shouldn't be mentioned alongside this proposal as much as he is, but in the process he has tangled himself up so much with W.E. that people that may want to join W.E. but have had bad experiences with Mr. Claws will automatically be skeptical. It would have been nice if he had stepped down from the perch and instead of taking control of everything, he would have allowed ANYBODY else to do it. Why not have a Brickwall guy do it or a guy from La Bateria? Even somebody else from Texian Army would have caused less drama. His excuse will be that he was the only one that wanted to take up this burden, and while that may be true, he should have known his involvement in all of this would keep a whole lot of people on edge. He could have then explained this to somebody else and somebody out there would have understood why he wasn't the best candidate.
I sense a lot of tension on these boards. There seems to be many unhappy people posting. This forum has become the Dynamo complaint department.
No home games! Too much time to argue about stupid crap. And I'm not an SG guy, I have no clue what these guys are all about. But this particular thread seems to have re-awakened some of the inter-SG animosities from the past.
You're right, this is bringing up too much animosity. I'm going to go back to posting on the Stadium Thread!
You're probably right. We'll soon have too many games and won't even have time to pay attention to those that are disgruntled.
True, someone will always be gruntled or disgruntled about something though. If you think the amount of complaining is bad now just wait until after Saturday. Opening Days are always special, but rarely perfect. As far as this thread goes, it's highly entertaining so far and not just for the rather "liberal" use of certain words by both sides of this topic. Personally not a fan of the name or trying to get this thing going the last week before the Stadium opens but some things are what they are. It has it's challenges and it also brings opportunities so it will be interesting to see where it goes.
I wish there was some sort of rundown of all the drama that went on over the past six years. I know it would just start more arguments so thats why it wont happen, but all this "elephant in the room" and people bringing up the past but not mentioning what went down makes me weary of this whole idea. I like the idea that this brings in people that aren't in a supporters group (like me)... but I get the sense this whole idea will be hard to work out unless all the drama in the room is washed out.
once again, there is over whelming support for all the SGs to get together and unite under one cause and one agreed set of principles. but, yet again, the over whelming masses are left watching a few petulant souls fight over who has the biggest pee pee. Congrats to you, rabble rousers. You are the turd in the punch bowl and we all see you. Now leave the people who are actually doing some thing good (or at least trying) alone and you go seethe in the corner and shake your fist at the sky, telling every one how you are mistreated and miss understood. this is all politics. and it reminds me of Plato who said "Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber." The WE concept may have the veneer of camp and may be a semi-forced measure, but it is a solid move into the direction of positivity. Some folks just aren't happy unless they are unhappy. I say leave them behind to wither on the vine and move forward with a stronger and more united SG format.
I'm just kidding, bro! That's life, though, there will always be those of us that whine ( @The_Ponce ) those of us that want to make an agenda out of anything so that they look like they're the biggest shit around ( @cougarclaws ), and those of us that just want to be left alone ( @Gregory McSwiggins ).
So the ones of us that took VACATION time to go speak in favor of the stadium to City and County meeting now are turds because we don't want to join the CC ass kissing club or sign a document that states we support something that just for league whims? I have stayed out this discussion becuase I live out of state and will only use my seauson tickets for ONE game and I understand that sometimes you have participate in said kissing BUT it doesn't mean we should all be forced to. Lastly, I am actually not opposed to this initiative sans the FO.
I'm treading lightly here because I haven't been around long enough to understand the complexities of the various SGs. I'll be in the Walker End next year, but I'm still unaffiliated. I've asked a few members for advice via PMs, but I'm still trying to get educated, so forgive me. That having been said, @The_Ponce, I appreciate that you've dissented here, if only on basic principle. When I read the initial info, there were a lot of questions left unanswered. @cougarclaws has alleviated most of my concerns though. If this really is just a cursory glance to the MLS so our SGs can get the restrictions lifted, so be it. I'm still weary, but I realize it needed to be done. Transparency of course continues to be an issue, but I look forward to this season.
Lmfao. Like you have any idea wtf is going on. Just stay quiet until you are told what to do by your SG leaders.
I’m not affiliated with an office Dynamo SG, but as a season ticket holder I do what I can to support the team. I’m not sure if the abbreviation for the Walker End (WE) was on purpose or by chance but I like it. If Walker End represents all supports and most of the official support groups, then WE are the Dynamo IMO that has a nice ring.
