It's attendance and lack of their own stadium. Dallas, Colorado and the Revs (kind of) have their own stadiums--in the case of everyone but the Revs, their own SSS (DC and Seattle don't have low attendance averages, though, do they?). If CUSA had their own SSS separate from the HDC in LA, there'd probably be fewer people gleefully (so it strikes me) brainstorming relocation destinations for them.
i think in the case of CHV it is a bunch of things. A. it is embarrassing as the top league in the USA/Canada to have one of your teams basically be the "little sister" of some bigger team in your main competitor league. B. some, not everybody, thinks MLS with so few teams (ie not the usual 30-32 of other leagues) shouldn't have "B" teams doubling up in markets when there are still viable (and uncovered) markets/areas not yet tapped (Southeast, Southwest, Florida, etc). C. specific to LA it is hard to imagine with the size and success of the Galaxy (and the deep pockets) any team in LA being anything other than the MLS equivalent of the Clippers even if they weren't named Chivas and had their own stadium. D. their attendance and season ticket base is abysmal and getting worse E. their brand is completely insigificant and just a bad idea all around, real Chivas Guad fans don't care about some feeder team and non Chivas Guad fans hate all things Chivas and the brand doesn't even represent the city it is in. F. their owner's obvious priority (now 100% owner) is another team, Chivas Guad ... his MLS team is merely an neglected afterthought ... like many other MLS owners with primary interest in some other pro sports team(s) he tends to appear to not care very much about his MLS team ... and without competent and committed ownership MLS teams tend to not be successful. G. then there is the whole tenant to the Galaxy thing, without their own stadium.
Agreed on A, F, and G. I would add that their "rivalry" with LAG - which the history of any 2-team soccer city in the world suggests should be central to CUSA's identity - has never been sufficiently played up, probably in part because of their dependent relationship with the Galaxy and their infrastructure.
Which is a dumb excuse since whatever they pay in terms of stadium expenses (rent and the like) all go to an MLS investor anyway. It isn't like they are paying somebody else (like an NFL owner) the money and that it is leaving MLS. The thing is that people are mostly put off by the fact that they are named after Chivas Guadalajara. If the team owned the HDC and were pulling these sorts of numbers they would still be calling for them to move. Conversely, if the team was named the LA Aztecs people would just say they need to get their own stadium in a different area. People have this fanciful idea that the team is going to move to somewhere like Phoenix and then abandon the Chivas name, which they most likely won't. And if they ditched the name they could do the same thing and keep the team in LA. The main point is that quite a few of the people that are complaining have been complaining since the beginning about the name and location. When the team was drawing 16k these same people were calling for them to relocate. Of course now that the "Move KC" crowd has nothing to complain about they divide their time between "Move CUSA" and "Move NE".
which makes their stadium situation far more tenable than dc's at rfk. but moving dallas or colorado or whoever isn't going to get a lot of supporters because they've got their own SSSs. it would feel like the league was abandoning one of its babies to leave dick's or php as a concert/event venue without an MLS team. that's why NE and chivas bear the brunt of the relocation asshatery: their stadiums are controlled by MLS owners, but aren't SSSs.
And in the case of the Lakers/Clippers, the Clippers still make a consistent profit each year (even when they have sucked too). They are far from dragging down the NBA.
I fail to see the "change over time" component of this graph. If anything, with the addition of Seattle/Portland/Canada, the fanbase has gotten "whiter" over the past few years.
This graph isn't an "over time" graph. Tell you what, do your own ********ing research next time. There are more Hispanic fans in MLS now than there used to be.
Angélica Fuentes is pretty hot for a CEO. She's instantly the hottest team owner in the league. Go Chivas!
If only. Actually it goes back to the days of "league-owned" franchises and has been perpetuated by people who don't pay attention.
I think relative to the rest of the league and relative to what they used to draw it is fair to say DC does have a low attendance average. DC is the third lowest attendance average in the league, and running almost 5000 lower than the league average DC is down 8% over last year and down 20% from their all time average.
Actually, it presumes a certain level of knowledge - i.e. that that figure used to be well south of 23%.
I remember a lot more "Spanish/Hispanic origin" at DC United games in the early days. Presumptions and assumptions aren't normally a basis for statistics. I don't want to sidetrack this thread anymore. I simply didn't think that particular post deserved the response it got.
Yeah. I support a second team in both cities, but you've got to twist logic into some pretty elaborate pretzels to be able to simultaneously argue that the empty seats at LAG are proof 2 clubs can't work in LA while the empty seats at NYRB are proof NYC is just waiting for their "A" team.
Your the tard that brought up "changing over time" demographics regarding MLS. Don't get mad at me when you bring up points unsupported by your evidence (graph).
First thing "Chivas USA" needs to do in rebrand and change that silly name. Next thing they need to do is get out of that lease with LA Galaxy and get out of LA. Need to work on building a SSS in either San Diego, San Antonio, or St. Louis and become an expansion team. They are doomed playing as the red headed step-child of the Galaxy
Here is some detailed information for you to read. NASCAR has better demographics than most people give them credit for http://www.dkmsm.com/pdf/2010 NASCAR Fan Base Demographics.pdf