News: USA vs. Mex - April 2014 (Phoenix, AZ)

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by doogiemo, Jan 27, 2014.

  1. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    64K and expandable to 72K
     
  3. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So only half full so far then. Ah well, we've got a month and a half to go.
     
  4. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :confused:


    Maybe I missed the sarcastic tone since Califas did pass prop 18.
     
  5. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    Double :confused::confused:

    The Special Circumstances Murder charge of 2000?

    We haven't voted on the Water Bond of 2014 yet.

    And the Right to Work prop of 1958 went down and went down hard.

    ;)
     
  6. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Arizona legislature will still do 9 other things wrong so there's that.
     
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  8. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    boulder
    Mods, please move this post to the MSNBC thread....
     
  9. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Come on. The US Federation is going to schedule a lucrative pay day for the Mexican Federation where Mexican clubs release Mexican players but don't release USMNT players. Really? ...
     
  10. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder how that stuff works. Is it some sorta quid pro quo? I know that Mexican clubs can sometimes seem reluctant to release USMNT players...
     
  11. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does that usually happen? I don't know what kind of negotiations go into non FIFA date matches
     
  12. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Come on. This isn't the first time the USMNT has played Mexico on a non-FIFA date. Has it ever been a problem in a US/Mexico game?
     
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  13. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure. When was the last one?
     
  14. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Every year, I think, or close to it.
     
  15. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On non FIFA dates? I know for a fact that the last 2 were FIFA dates
     
  16. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    #166 tab5g, Feb 28, 2014
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2014
    Still looking for the old FIFA documents with their official "A" level international match and friendly dates, but according to fifa.com, here are the "friendlies" played by the USMNT vs Mexico since 2000. (The advanced search feature at the link can filter by friendly.)


    I'm sure we can figure out which ones were not official FIFA player release dates. And I agree that the precondition of these (non-FIFA date) friendlies (if any did occur, and I think they did) has likely always included assurances that LigaMX and MLS sides would release a reasonable number of players per club.

    Edit: here's the 2010-2014 Fifa calendar -- http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/wor...ifa-dates-2010-2014-updateseptember2009-e.pdf
    That does indeed show that the Aug 10, 2011 and the Aug 15, 2012 dates were official friendly dates.

    Still looking for the previous documents, as I think a good number of those friendlies in the aughts were not a official friendly dates.

    2nd Edit: here's the 2007-2008 Fifa calendar -- http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/worldfootball/calendarlive/intl_mc_fifa_2006_2008_en_7920.pdf
    That does indeed show that the Feb 6, 2008 and the Feb 7, 2007 dates were official friendly dates. (So this isn't at all supporting my earlier ideas. Maybe there are other and unofficial friendlies that these nations played that aren't showing up on fifa.com's archive of games.)
     
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  17. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The pre condition to allow Liga MX players makes sense, I'm just not sure if that's common practice, or if its something you can do
     
  18. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    A "player release agreement" (with the domestic leagues) is something both sides would certainly want to agree to, to allow for SUM to execute a reasonable facsimile of a real match -- and something from which all parties involved can make a good bit of money.
     
  19. NMMatt

    NMMatt Member+

    Apr 5, 2006
    What this list is telling me is Mexico has scored three goals in nine friendly matches against us since 2000.
     
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  20. Golot

    Golot Member

    Aug 17, 2012
    Chandler, AZ
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm going to the game... trying to buy a ticket, but not sure what section to get. Do they have sections for the US fans and sections for the Mexico fans?
     
  21. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    Yeah, the inside of the stadium are where the Mexican fans sit. The home team bench is for the American fans.
     
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  22. Wessoman

    Wessoman Member+

    Sep 26, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Indeed, and since the FMF is effectively run not-so behind the scenes by the LigaMX, Mexico usually fields powerful domestic sides on Non-FIFA dates, and MLS has been open to releasing players on non-FIFA dates too. (Another good example, our tuneup game in 2000 in LA, Landon Donovan's first cap.)

    I am glad as this friendly will be focused on MLS and LigaMX players, I could assume that the preliminary list of 30 players will be gleaned from the rosters for this game and the Ukraine game.
     

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