U20 MNT Camp 1/3-12 at Lakewood Ranch, FL

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by SUDano, Jan 3, 2014.

  1. USAMEX10

    USAMEX10 Member+

    Sep 24, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
  2. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Sounds good about Robinson. Seems bitter towards Mexico because they have ignored him. I like it!
     
  3. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Based on all the Norwegian reserve team games you watch?
     
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  4. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Seeing pictures of Robinson, it's hard to avoid making some assumptions about Robinson and why he may have been ignored by El Tri and would prefer to play for the USNT. Memin pinguin and all that. (Not that we don't have our own bleak history with race in this county.)
     
  5. ielag

    ielag Member+

    Jul 20, 2010
    Also have CB Erik Palmer-Brown, who'll be with the U18s, that is a pro. I'd guess he has a good chance at being loaned to Orlando or Oklahoma City in USLPro this season.
     
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  6. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    This may go without saying, but you're pointing out an example of how winning trumps development. We do what you describe because young defenders make mistakes that cost games, and because talented young attackers can atone for a lot of mistakes with a single game-changing moment.
     
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  7. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Winning does trump development when you're playing games that matter in MLS and USMNT.
     
  8. TwoThreeTwoThree

    Nov 23, 2011
    Nothing against MLS academies, many of them are very good, but almost all the development of Iloski and Baird came through San Diego Surf, not through LA Galaxy or RSL-AZ (and, in Baird's case, the time he spent in Residency at Bradenton). Individual coaches make a huge difference at the 16-18 age level, IMHO; numerous academies, including MLS academies, have old-style coaches -- it is coaches who make the real difference: like Munoz (now at LAG), Pareja, whoever's in charge at NYRB, Raz (who did a great job at Real So Cal before taking a college coaching job), Kleiban (now with Chivas) in Southern Cal, and Tsakiris (De Anza), Ben Ziemer (assistant to Hugo Perez and runs the NorCal league), Gregg Thompson, et al in Northern Cal. Good clubs hire these excellent coaches with a forward-looking attack-oriented approach to the game, and let them flourish -- whether they are MLS academies or non-MLS clubs or the Residency program in Florida.
     
  9. CreightonMCFCjoey

    Jan 30, 2007
    Omaha, NE
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i feel like i've got a good pulse on this side
     
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  10. INKRO

    INKRO Member+

    Jul 28, 2011
    This, there are real honest-to-god results on the line at that level.
     
  11. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    I just hope the USL-Pro relationships allow youth professional to develop prior to throwing them to the lions in games that matter. We will see.
     
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  12. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Correct, thanks. (Called up thrice, including the finals and qualifying.)
     
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  13. CreightonMCFCjoey

    Jan 30, 2007
    Omaha, NE
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  14. passion4playing

    Nov 6, 2009
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Tommy Thompson is a starting XI player that if given a fair opportunity he will be the starter at the forward position or the false 9 depending on the formation.
     
  15. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wish him the best. And from the earlier article here on him in Portuguese, he says that he speaks English pretty well and sees himself fitting in with the guys pretty well (admittedly he is saying this when he was on the way to the airport for his flight to Florida). We shall see how it all turns out.
     
  16. US Soccer Supporter

    US Soccer Supporter New Member

    Jan 8, 2014
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    keep an eye on Brody. everyone I talk to says this kid is for real
     
  17. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I found some follow up information on a few guys here:

    Sounder At Heart reported back in September that Markey was likely to redshirt for non-injury reasons. So while it's good to have an explanation for why he didn't play a single minute, "we didn't need him" isn't really an explanation that one would expect for a U-20 national team player.

    FWIW, this article about NC State refers to Wannemuehler as a midfielder:

    It's editorializing by the author to fill in the blanks and not a direct quote, but it does suggest that he wasn't used as a forward in 2013.
     
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  18. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
    Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes he does exist. I can verify this.
     
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  19. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He could have redshirted for academic reasons.
     
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  20. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fair point.
     
  21. Maitreya

    Maitreya Member+

    Apr 30, 2007
    Providence, RI
    I don't think one season not contributing for a top college program means that much about a player. It's a big adjustment going to college and playing up in age. I feel that talented prospects should be starters or major contributors by their second year. Andrew Oliver's failure to be significantly better as a sophomore, for example, is a bigger red flag to me than Markey's redshirting.
     
  22. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    More weirdness re: Markey

    Last year in the DA, he had 17 appearances and only 4 starts.
     
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  23. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  24. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Doubtful.

    If he didn't have the grades to get into UNC he wouldn't have been admitted.

    He likely redshirted because the other CBs were the ACC defender of the year, Boyd Okwuonu, and a very solid likely future MLS player in So. Jonathan Campbell.

    "Biz" Markey and Campbell will likely be a very formidable CB pairing next year.
     
  25. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    I was surprised that he revealed as much info as he did. Looks like our Brazilian friend Luis Felipe is doing well thus far:
    "Especially as a 1996, making him a year younger, you’re always a little skeptical whether they’re going to be physically ready. I think he can help the team. I think that’s been a surprise at least to start the camp. He’s got very good feet and can go forward well, although he’s more of a defensive player."

    And looks like Rubin, Pfeffer and Moreno are well thought of:
    "Rubio Rubin continues to do well. Every camp he just looks better than the one before. He’s really turned out to be a very solid, professional-type player. Zach Pfeffer and Amando Moreno, these are guys I think we’re going to be able to count on for the full cycle. You don’t want to give people a free pass but these are guys who work very hard every practice, every game. I’m pretty comfortable saying these are guys we can probably count on for a while."
     
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