truth revealed about Iran-Australia match

Some shocking news has come out of Iran and since it relates to Austrlia and Iran it's appropriate to discuss this worthy news . Mohsen Safaie Farhani who was the president of the Iranian Football Federation from 1998-2002 has revealed that a number of Iran's players were doping prior to the Iran - Austrlia in a rare interview . As we all know Iran ended up qualifying to the Workd Cup by making a heroic comeback to tie 2-2 and that was the most memorable game in Iran's history . It's sad that this news will overshadow the players achievement and that this wasn't revealed and dealt with much earlier . I can post the article in Farsi but a English translation should be avalible soon .

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This thread is about 2014 WCQ, not 1998 WCQ. So your post is clearly off-topic, and most-likely intended as a bait to derail this thread into off-topic discussions. Nonetheless, I will address it, given the fact that you're actually making things up, and some here maybe naive enough to take your word as gospel.

"Shocking news" implies that this is actually news, when it's not. Other than a thread on PFDC forum, opened by a random guy on the internet, taking a line from Safaei Farahani's interview with an Iranian newspaper, out of context and making it the thread title, nobody, and I mean not a single reputable newspaper or news source has mentioned this interview as being "news", let alone "shocking news" as you've tried to frame it.

And this (the boded parts in your comment) is what I mean, by making things up. Nowhere in the interview does Safaei Farahani make such an allegation about even a single player, let alone "a number of Iran's players". Even the headline of the interview itself is about agents in Iranian football, not doping. You're putting words in Farahani's mouth, taking what he said out of context, and pretending like it was a confirmation of some sort.

For starters, he never uses the term "doping". What Safaei Farahani actually says in the interview, is that during the Tomislav Ivic era (AFTER the Australia match), he was impressed by the team's fitness level, and how the players told him that they couldn't run for 50 minutes before, but now they can run for 120 minutes thanks to Ivic's fitness routine, and then Farahani makes comparison to the previous coach's era when fitness was a problem and mentions that "someone had even alleged that some of the players had taken some pills prior to the Australia match". Then he mentions Estili telling him something similar, without mentioning if they were legal or illegal pills. The interviewer then clearly asks Farahani " Are you saying the players were involved in doping before the Australia match?" and Farahani answers that " I really don't know , and I didn't investigate the claim either. I only brought this up, as I just wanted to make a comparison for you, between the era of Ivic and the era before him."

In short, he is simply praising Ivic, and mentions in passing something about a claim by an unnamed individual. So Farahani is just repeating the claim in quotation marks, without giving it any credibility, clearly saying that he didn't take it serious enough to look into it when he was in charge. And as a matter of fact, Farahani was very serious about dealing with doping when he was in charge of IFF, and did ban or expel several players who had tested positive at the time from the national team. Now how you came up with the sensationalist lines like "shocking news" and that "he revealed this and that", as if this was some sort of a systematic abuse that was somehow uncovered, is beyond me. At the end of the day, this is nothing more than an old allegation by a former disgruntled player or coach, and not a fact, or else it would have been all over the media by now, in Persian and English. So I am afraid this will not "overshadow the players achievement". Maybe in the "Valanjak universe" it will, but not in real life.

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Even if overlooking that this subject is really off-topic to the thread at hand, a credible source should be linked. And one should thoroughly think through before posting "news" (vague assumptions at best, that arent really credible) of such magnitude, ie make sure not to misquote or take it out of context.

But most importantly, this topic doesnt belong in this thread.

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It's unnu how Iranian members bring up the 2-2 audtrlia match in every single thread and never say anything about it being off topic but when something true is revealed about the match that puts Iran in a negative position the same Iranian members cry out foul . I will post the full the article with English translation so non-Iranian members can make up their mind .

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I dont recall personally bringing up that match in that particular thread or any other thread where it didnt belong, but whenever I brought it up it was in the appropriate place. Or it was in the context of this qualification campaign.
I just dont agree that the 98 team doping rumors, belongs in a thread which discusses wcq 2014.

Btw if it turns out Iran has fouled in terms of doping, you can be sure I would gladly condemn it.

Re: 2014 FIFA WC QLF, AFC: Group A

What is "unnu"?

What is "audtrlia"?

First learn how to spell. Then learn the difference between a rumor and the "truth" or between an unsubstantiated claim and a fact.

By the way, nice try, but you are actually the only Iranian here who has brought up the 1998 Australia match in 2014 WCQ, AFC: Group A thread, which has absolutely nothing to do with either with the 1998 WCQ or Australia. Context my friend, context. If you're going to troll and flame, at least be creative and smart. You're too predictable. You're just too obvious.

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I don't say you but it's a known fact Mani and others who are overly biased about anything relates to Iran have done this time after time . It 's just sad to see those sane members cry like babies when the same subject is discussed in a different manner. That's exactly why I have those same members on my ignore lost I rather not listen to their propaganda .

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By the way, thanks to the mods for creating this "Rumors" litter box for Valanjak. I am looking forward to see this thread get bumped, every time Valanjak tries to derail a thread off-topic with one of his not-so-subtle attempts at flaming with his "shocking news" items that nobody has heard of, or gives a hoot about.

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Who is the Mod for this forum? Since when we have a thread for rumors?

Unless he is feeding the freak a bone!

Re: Rumors

Even if true, what's the motivation to confess something like that now. Just makes him look equally corrupt/inept.

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Why ? Because he's been jailed and sidelined by this regime because of his political views . When someone keeps kicking you and hurting you then eventually he will scream out . The true fact is that he has no advantage for revealing this information and in fact makes himself look bad since he was the president of the federation back then .

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This thread is actually a violation of Bigsoccer terms of service which clearly states that:

"you will not use this bulletin board to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate"

The unexplained mysterious changing of the title overnight by someone who has administrative access to Iran forum, in clear a violation of BigSoccer terms of service, does give the appearance that someone is bending the rules to accommodate Valanjak's defamation of Mr. Farahani and the former Iran NT players. The thread titles should be ACCURATE and NEUTRAL per BigSoccer's own rules. Accurate means something that is an established fact, reported by reputable sources, not rumors or conspiracy theories.

Re: truth revealed about Iran-Austrlia match

It's really amusing to see some members getting so upset about true facts simply because they don't want non-Iranians read this true news which makes our biggest football achievement less heroic then it actually was . The fact is that this interview has been picked up by a number of Iranian media outlets and is being discussed on other Iranian forums . http://www.persianfootball.com/foru...ie-Farahani-France-98-team-involved-in-Doping. http://forums.iransportspress.com/s...-TM-s-doping-against-Australia-and-Ivic-story..

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What Iranian media outlets are picking this up? You're just making things up, as usual. I dare you to list just a couple of articles whose headline is anything remotely close to your headline. Even the newspaper who first published the interview, didn't think the rumor part was a newsworthy item, to make it the interview's headline. There is no "news" here. This, at best, qualifies as old gossiping/yellow journalism, which is why not a single reputable source has picked it up after two weeks. Even you didn't know about it till yesterday, which shows how trivial the whole thing is, and nobody here, but you, gives a hoot about an unsubstantiated gossip/rumor. Get a grip!

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Best thing that ever happened to Big Soccer = ignore function

Re: truth revealed about Iran-Austrlia match

Sure buddy, sure. Wink, wink. Something must be wrong with your ignore function though, as you keep direly or indirectly replying to my posts, even the ones that have not been quoted by anyone else, but only when it's convenient for you. However, when I challenge your false claims, and ask for proof, all of sudden you can't read my posts. Your ignore function apparently has selective amnesia. Just the other day, I made a post about censorship of an Iranian movie in Egypt, and right after me, within seconds, you made a post addressing my post, so you can and you do read my posts. Now this was days after you first claimed to have put me on your ignore list. That just goes to show, how much "truth" there is in your posts , and how little credibility you have as a poster.

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If you actually read the article what exact part of what he said is "allegation" or do you refute ? the guy use to the head of the IFF and was perhaps the best president that the federation had. Do you expect to go back 15 years and do a drug test ? It's a known fact that we've had more then a few players that been caught doping so this is nothing new in Iran . Cheating is nothing new in Iran, it happens in every field every day , it's a normal part of life to cheat in Iran . How many times have we gotten caught fielding overage players for our non-senior national teams ? We even get caught cheating fielding players that have been suspended ( against Iraq for London qualification ) . The fact that cheating is part of our culture in Iran and that a respected former head of the federation confirms not just doping during his tenure but other things is affirmative in regards to this discussion. Are you expecting the corrupt government in Iran to do an investigation like the US government did in regards to the baseball steroid scandals? If that's what your expecting to confirm these true facts about doling amongst our athletes then good luck !!! Lastly , it's not just football players who routinely use sport enhancement drugs in Iran , we've had weightlifters , wrestlers , and many many other types of athlete that have gotten caught . But most athletes don't get caught doping in Iran because drug testing is almost non-existsnt in all sports so most players get away with it but it's well known that there is a big problem in regards to this matter amongst all athletes in Iran .

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This is just hilarious. He is claiming now that IFF deliberately fielded the suspended player against Iraq, who came on as a substantiate late in the match. Everyone knows that was a bureaucratic fuck-up by IFF and the new coaching staff, not a deliberate act to gain an advantage. The player in question, was an unimportant substitute anyways. You keep sinking lower and lower with every new post you make.

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Going on a rant that's off topic? last time I checked the topic were discussing in this thread is about doping isn't that right ? I also asked you a few questions why don't you answer those questions instead of going on off-topic rants? Like I said earlier what proof are you exactly expecting ? What's the advantage of him "making up allegations "? If his goal was to hurt someone's character or image he would of directly named those many players that were doping at the time but he didn't . And it's not just the doping matters that he revealed , he talked about many ugly facts in regards to football in Iran such as being ordered to tie Perspolis- Esteghlal matches which has always been something we knew since its almost impossible to have ties in a derby like we did for more then a few years . Like I said I rather listen to the head of a football federation that has inside knowledge and that's no longer part of the corrupt regime in Iran than some Iranian members on the Internet that thinks he knows everything and anything that happens in Iranian football . If your refuting what he says then its your job to prove him wrong instead of going on a "off topic rant ".

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valanjak you took this whole thing too far. it started out as an innocent observation (consequently you adhered to it) that Iran is overrated and some members here perhaps talk in a way that makes Iran seem better than it is, but then your personal feud with nimaa spilled into it. then you got bored or something and decided to troll. at the beginning i even kind of agreed with some of the things you said, but now you have transformed into a troll. you have publicly displayed this behaviour and now nobody will take you seriously unless you stop the immaturity.

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reported . If you have any personal insults do it by sending a PM don't try to ruin my thread by trolling .

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I, for one, think that calling you out in public, as several members have done here spontaneously, is actually a good thing for you. Think of it as a friendly intervention. This the Iran board after all, and the other Iranian members should also join in, with their thoughts about your recent obsessive behavior around here. It's the ultimate reality check for you. It will put things in perspective for you, and show you why your behavior is over the top, and how others perceive you because of it. Maybe that will help you reexamine your behavior, and reconsider your approach.

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I highly recommend members who are interested in this topic ( not trollers ) to google “ Iranian players doping “ and see the hundreds of results that come up about players getting caught doping in all kinds of sports . Here is a few I just found in like 5 seconds

http://www.persianfootball.com/live...tid=14:ipl-league-persian-gulf-cup&Itemid=180

http://www.oananews.org/content/news/sports/iranian-player-mohsen-bayatinia-banned-doping

http://www.rusada.ru/en/press/antidoping_news/12_10_10-3

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/xinhua/2011-11-01/content_4236493.html



And then we have some members who are acting as if doping doesn’t exist in Iran and are acting childish when the former president of the Iranian football federation confirms something that’s well known in Iran so lets see should we belive some Iranian on the internet or the former head of the Iranian football federation that’s no longer part of the corrupt regime in Iran , I think I will pick the dude that use to run football in Iran lol.