Top 10 nations that should have a better women's team

Discussion in 'Women's International' started by WPS_Movement, Dec 9, 2012.

  1. WPS_Movement

    WPS_Movement Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2008
    1.) Portugal (one of the best nations in the men's game. the women's team is a joke)
    2.) Argentina (historically a Top 5 team always, and #3 now. but the women's team is meh)
    3.) Uruguay (another CONMEBOL powerhouse in the men's game, with women's junk)
    4.) Greece (more than solid in the men's game. women's team? have one? they do, but uh-huh)
    5.) Belgium (proud tradition in the men's game. they deserve a better women's team)
    6.) Algeria (continuing to prosper more in the men's game. do they even have a women's team?)
    7.) Croatia (top 10 in the men's game now. where da women at? no where near Top 50)
    8.) Cote d'Ivoire (women's team? best African nation now in the men's game)
    9.) Chile (more CONMEBOL junk for a women's team)
    10.) Spain (#1 in the men's game. not Top 15 yet in the women's game, but will)

    Thanks to Brazil and Germany, for having strong men's and women's teams.


  2. toad455

    toad455 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2005
    If these nations, along with many others, take note from Japan that putting money into their women's teams can actually produce a World Cup victory. It may not happen in 2015, but if these nations up their spending to develop their women's team, results will follow.
  3. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2006
    It's interesting to see which countries have teams ranked in the top 10 in both the Men's and Women's rankings.

    Germany is #2 in both lists.
    England is #6 in the men's and #8 in the women's ranking.
    And Italy is #5 in the men's and #10 in the women's ranking.
  4. WPS_Movement

    WPS_Movement Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2008
    True on England and Italy as well.

    Germany and Brazil are the only two nations to even make a World Cup Final, for both the men and women. No other nation has done that before.

    Germany is the only nation to win a World Cup, for both men and women.
    France may eventually beat Brazil to the punch, for being the next nation to win it for both genders (France men won in 1998). France may be better than Brazil in the 2015 WWC, and going forward. France is ascending, Brazil is descending, in the women's game recently.


  5. JanBalk

    JanBalk Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2004
    Location:
    Uppsala, Sweden
    ?
    MWC 1958
    and
    WWC 2003
    We did it before Brazil they didn't have their women in a World Cup Final until 2007
  6. WPS_Movement

    WPS_Movement Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2008
    Oh, sorry. I totally forgot Sweden made the WWC Final in 2003.
    Duh. I knew that. I even have that match on DVD from ebay from back in the day, for about $10.
    I don't know how I forgot about Sweden. I must have thought Germany beat Argentina that year in the Final, in my sub-conscious mind, lol.

    I mean, Argentina always posed such a HUGE threat to Germany in those World Cups they won.
    I have a photograph of the 2007 match. Scoreboard says 1-0 after the match was over. Looks like in the photograph that the "far left" digit of the scoreboard for Germany's goal tally didn't get in the photo. It says 1-0, so Argentina barely lost, and who knows, maybe they outplayed Germany (as usual).
  7. debzy

    debzy Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2009
    Location:
    paris
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Country:
    France
    You can Spain and Belgium because knowing their youth team they will be european and world recognize strenght soon very soon ...... Belgium because of Cayman , Aga ,Biesmans and above all Tessa Wullaert remember the name!....and Spain because from what they showed in the last euro u19 , the female version of the tiki~taka , I consider them as good as France or Germany in 2~3 years.
    The only nation who MUST increase is women football because is a top nation on the men's side is Argentina , the rest African nations and East european nations are not so strong on the men's side and they are not the most "culturally" advanced to promote female football.....
  8. WPS_Movement

    WPS_Movement Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2008
    Spain will be a Top 10 team in the world (FIFA rankings) by 2016.
    By 2019 WWC, I predict they will be Top 5 (or borderline Top 5, we'll say in the Top 7).

    I like the future of Spain and France in UEFA.
    Italy could take over someday as a Top 4 team in UEFA as well.
    Germany will always be in that Top 4.
    There is always a chance Sweden may eventually decline in the same manner as Norway one day, but I think they will stay in the Top 6 in UEFA.

    England will always be around the #5 or #6 team in UEFA.

    We're talking a few years down the road, around 2019 WWC time.
    I'd like to see Norway get back to being near Top 5 in the world again, but I just don't see any evidence of that right now.
  9. JanBalk

    JanBalk Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2004
    Location:
    Uppsala, Sweden
    It is a certainty unless women’s football (soccer) in Europe regress or stagnates there are no chance that Sweden can keep up with the big countries in the long run. With a fifth of the population worse weather and longer distances it is just a question of how long we can keep up (I give it decade or in best case two). After that we should be able to keep up at a level just behind the big five but we can’t really compete with them when they got their programs and leagues fully on track.
  10. guignol

    guignol Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2005
    Location:
    mermoz-les-boss
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Country:
    France
    1.) Portugal (one of the best nations in the men's game. the women's team is a joke)
    2.) Argentina (historically a Top 5 team always, and #3 now. but the women's team is meh)
    3.) Uruguay (another CONMEBOL powerhouse in the men's game, with women's junk)
    4.) Greece (more than solid in the men's game. women's team? have one? they do, but uh-huh)
    5.) Belgium (proud tradition in the men's game. they deserve a better women's team)
    6.) Algeria (continuing to prosper more in the men's game. do they even have a women's team?)
    7.) Croatia (top 10 in the men's game now. where da women at? no where near Top 50)
    8.) Cote d'Ivoire (women's team? best African nation now in the men's game)
    9.) Chile (more CONMEBOL junk for a women's team)
    10.) Spain (#1 in the men's game. not Top 15 yet in the women's game, but will)

    for portugal i have no idea what's going on, but spain seems to be on the right track.

    belgium merging their league with the netherlands is bound to be a good thing, but they have a long way to go; i saw their NT play france about 18 months ago, and standard liege play OL reserves in a preseason friendly... it was all pretty woesome.
    as for croatia and greece i wouldn't hold my breath; those countries have enough problems that i don't see this one getting attended to soon.

    the maghreb countries are good bets for big progress in the next few years, and algeria might get the same boost for their women as for the men: never understimate the power of the beurette, those women are dynamite.

    as for the americas all i can say is that i was just slack-jaw dumbfounded when i saw what uruguay's women's team looked (and played) like. in the history of televised matches i doubt you will find one even approaching las celestes for lack of talent, but above all fitness.
  11. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2007
    Location:
    Germany
    Country:
    Germany
    Overall South America seems to be a horrible place for women to play football.
  12. usa3por2ft

    usa3por2ft Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2002
    Location:
    in exile
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Country:
    United States
    I'm not sure why anyone would expect Uruguay to be all that good. It is a quite small country without significant resources. The recent success of their men's team looks more like an aberration than something enduring. Before the most recent men's World Cup, they had won only one match in the previous nine competitions, and failed even to qualify for about half of those.

    Spain has to be pretty near the top of any list, because their women have achieved the least of any of the big six European football nations (in which I also include England, France, Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands), while the men dominate the world.

    South Korea have become very solid performers in men's competitions. While they have teased us with age group success in women's play, they still haven't made a real mark in senior competitions.

    Turkey and Greece are so woeful in women's football that they have to be on the list.

    Next to Argentina, Paraguay stand out as a CONMEBOL disappointment. They are consistent World Cup qualifiers on the men's side while they have never even reached the semifinals of the CONMEBOL women's championship.

    1. Spain
    2. South Korea
    3. Argentina
    4. Turkey
    5. Belgium
    6. Netherlands
    7. Greece
    8. Mexico
    9. Paraguay
    10. Ecuador
    11. Portugal

    ETA. I just realized that I really should have put Portugal in here somewhere, too. So my list goes to 11!
  13. holden

    holden Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2009
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    I think Russia deserves some honorable mention. They have a huge population, have a history of supporting women's sport, the men's side is in the top 10, but the women's side is ranked 20 and hasn't qualified for the WWC since 2003. They really should do better.
  14. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2007
    Location:
    Germany
    Country:
    Germany
    You have a valid point with Uruguay but why are you then going to include Ecuador? They only ever qualified twice to a world cup and haven't even reached a single final of the roughly two billions Copa Americas. Why would you expect anything of their women's team?
  15. JanBalk

    JanBalk Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2004
    Location:
    Uppsala, Sweden
    But even before the last MWC they had won it Twice! that is more than England, and by custom and curtesy every country that ever won the MWC in Soccer is considered as potentially great and should only be replaced by team with actuall achivments.
    So while more than half the conutries on the list have good reasons to be on it before Uruguy and three (Tureky, Greece and Belgium) have some reason to be on it before Uruguay why is Paraguay and Ecuador on it and not Uruguay?
  16. usa3por2ft

    usa3por2ft Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2002
    Location:
    in exile
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Country:
    United States
    Because on the men's side Ecuador are much better now that they were in the distant past. Both of the competitions they qualified for were among the last three. The one that they missed, in 2010, they were the best finisher in the South American group not to qualify, trailing Uruguay by just a point. In the current qualification (for 2014) they are comfortably in second place. They have reached a new plateau of achievement, and their consistency leads me to believe that they will be able to stay there.

    Uruguay, on the other hand, had a magical run in 2010 and 2011, but there is good reason to think that they can't maintain that level. They are barely hanging on to the last qualifying slot from CONMEBOL right now.

    So I think the overall football potential of Ecuador is as good as or slightly better than Uruguay's.

    In any case, it's not that I expect a great deal Ecuador's women, just something more than what they have achieved. I would at least expect them to have reached the semifinals of one of the last three South American championships, a mark that even Uruguay reached.
  17. usa3por2ft

    usa3por2ft Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2002
    Location:
    in exile
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Country:
    United States
    In reference to your first paragraph ... you are too funny :laugh:

    In reference to the second, it is because 1. over the last decade and a half Ecuador and especially Paraguay have been good somewhat more consistently that Uruguay on the men's side, and 2. I attribute Uruguay's relative unreliability to a fundamental factor that will also affect the women's side, which is that the population pool is too small for sustained excellence at the international level.
  18. Batfink

    Batfink Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2010
    Location:
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Sorry, but outside of Brazil's and Argentina's rather recent WC timeline, Uruguay are easily one of South Americas best footballing nations.

    Their continental list of achievements, their global achievements, and considering their elite player production with such a tiny population, you have to acknowledge the fact that Uruguay demonstrate all the significant qualities that come together to make an unlikely elite footballing nation, a great footballing nation, don't you..?

    I mean, can you imagine a similar nations like Wales being UEFA's most decorated national team within their Euro championships, or T&T being remotely competitive on any global level if the game, lol.
  19. Batfink

    Batfink Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2010
    Location:
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Personally I thought the growth of the female game within South America would have been boosted by the rise of the '04 to '07/'08 Brazilian teams, but cultural factors have seriously stunted the evolution of that region, to the point now where they look to be another two decades from realistic recovery.

    So factoring the only two regions with serious potential for growth, my tip for a WNT side to next best reflect the relative strength of their men would be the South Korean's, as they have all the early signs of a France like break through come 2015.

    On the U-17/19 levels, with the increased involvement of strong male clubs, a few nations like Spain have the potential to create strong WNT's by 2019, but seeing Spain as anybody's #1 in here is rather unfair too, when their men have been relentless underachievers for a lot longer than they have been pre-eminent winners.
  20. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2000
    shouldn't china be on the list somewhere? especially considering their history in the women's game? their current rank of 17 is way below their own top shelf accomplishments.
  21. JanBalk

    JanBalk Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2004
    Location:
    Uppsala, Sweden
    No, China women have had support and performing above their men. Now when the rest of the Worlds (or at least significant parts of it) starts to give support to Women Soccer China WNT is on it's way down to the position their mens team have and there are no real reason to belive that developmnet will stop.
  22. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2000
    however, if we use some of the same arguments other posters have used:
    huge population.
    history of supporting women's sport.
    and add to that the advantage they had as early leaders in the game.
    it can be argued that all they had to do was keep up their support (which they have not) and they would have a top team still - unlike norway and sweden where demographics are against them.
  23. JanBalk

    JanBalk Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2004
    Location:
    Uppsala, Sweden
    But no soccer culture and history and that tend to count for much more than puolation when it comes to Soccer result.
    Given enough support the WNT will raise to the same level internationally as their MNT (but above the countries that are not supporting their women) China MNT is currently ranked 88.

    So yes China have the future before them, but I doubt their WNT will raise to prominece again before their MNT do rank at least in the top 20, that will probably happen but then we are talking long timenot anyware in the short or mid term future.
  24. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Location:
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Country:
    --other--
    And I'd make another observation: even if the title of the thread can be a little misleading about that, I guess that the spirit of it was, give or take, "nations-who-should-have-a-better-women's-team-BECAUSE-THEY-ACTUALLY-NEVER-HAD-IT". I guess it was all about nations that never ever had a WNT up to what could be reasonably expected.
    Or, if we'd take the sentence literally, we could maybe argue that other WNTs, who had ups and downs in their history, "should have a better team" right now, for some reason. And i don't think comparison with MNT should be the only factor (although it tells a lot about football culture for sure).

    Anyway, I guess the thread keeps being more interesting if we wonder "where the heck Russia is on the women's football map right now?" or "Why Argentina was never competitive at the female level", than if we start asking "Why England was never really a tier-1 team?" or "Will ever Norway get back to its old standards?"
    So I guess China doesn't belong to this debate, because it's not like it was always deceiving; it was one of the "big teams" in the past, instead. So it's not really in the "original spirit" of the thread (if I got it right :giggle:, but here I have to ask WPS_Movement, who started it ;)).
    And don't get me wrong: I guess the decline of China WNT is a really interesting topic indeed! It's only I don't think it belongs here: it deserves its own thread (or some other thread about Asian women's football).
    JanBalk repped this.
  25. sisterluke

    sisterluke Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2008
    Location:
    Los Angeles,CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Sol
    Country:
    United States
    Why aren't Italy, Spain, and Argentina highly ranked on their women's sides? Easy answer... those countries are sexist.

Share This Page