The Wayne Rooney Thread Part IV

Real Madrid 1/4 final vs. Real Madrid.
Leg 1 & 2.


CL final @ Wembley.

Two big game examples of this criticism, among his other faults.

 

No, that is different. If you suddenly ask him to do something different from what he has been doing, he won't get it right at first. It doesn't matter what you are asking from him, it take a little time for him to adapt. If you spend a season telling him to play behind a main striker, and then suddenly ask him to mark a specific player, of course he is going to struggle. You are asking him to fight his instincts established over months.

If SAF had prepared him for that he would have done the job well.

 

So you agree he lacks tactical discipline as he is incapable of performing simple tasks as instructed?

 

No. Otherwise he would have never been able to play on the left or with his back to goal. He wouldn't have adapted to playing behind Cheech after spending a season playing as the lone striker.

And get out of here with that "simple task" crap. You think Ronaldo would be able to suddenly start tracking a midfielder, while linking up the attack and midfield if asked to?

 

Rooney insists on playing a defensive role regardless as referenced above. Why is it a stretch to expect him to do that with a little bit of tactical discipline or is that one of the things we could not afford to pay him for?

 

That isn't what he was asked to do. He was asked to suddenly be a midfielder. You want that from him, let him learn the role.

 

I don't see how its different. Or what's different. He failed to do the job in the first leg (direct blame can be passed to him for allowing the cross), and he was benched for Welbeck in the 2nd leg and it worked well.

In 09 he failed to do that same job Welbeck did on Xabi Alonso, to Busquets.

park did the same job on pirlo. So how can one say SAF didn't prepare him well?

Rooney has been playing all 3 roles regularly in his almost 10 years here. Its not an excuse. He wouldn't be relegated to an expensive utility man, if he was devastating at one thing.

A small point that you never seem to acknowledge is that SAF would not ask Ronaldo to do these things. Why? Because Ronaldo could be counted on to do his job exceptionally well.

 

Pep complimenting Welbz prior to the CL game instead of Rooney shows how highly he is rated and how much potential he has given the guidance he needs.

 

LOL! you have to make your cherry picking a little more subtle when the events are not even a month old. ovious bias is ovious.

 

You think Pep will say Wayne Rooney is overrated?

 

What is ovious?

 

no. i also think that he was under no pressure to call him a 'big player' and 'one of the best players he's ever seen is his career' since the questeion was only if he thought he'd play in the 2nd leg.

i know it's hard to fathom on this board that players and managers rate rooney. they really do.

 

your bias, keep up.

 

zzz

 

It is when he has consecutive matches that's no better than 4/10


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This team has never won anything major with Rooney being the main man or figure head.

And it will remain that way. We can do better. Except for shirt sales.

 

you're moving the goal post on the discussion. who cares whether he is the best player on the team? the thing is - assuming rvp is out - bringing in a #9 better than rooney and potentially available this summer will cost around 50 mil (e.g. cavani, costa, ibra, suarez, falcao).

i wouldn't say no to any ot these players but i'd rather throw that kind of money at reus to gill the huge gap on the left wing or, better yet, get a brand new midfield like kroos-carvalho.

it's not that i think wayne is irraplaceable, it's just that our needs in midfield and on the left flank are much more pressing.

 

Get rid of the cancerous growth before it spreads.

 

What if we can do all that AND buy another striker?

 

I think the ship has sailed.

Fergie was quite clear in what he thought should happen to Rooney, and had everything setup for Moyes to ship him out and have Rooney be the villain. Moyes of course cocked that up, along with everything else, and now we are stuck with him on an unmanageable contract.

We may get lucky, with Chelsea, City or Arsenal coming in for him, but it seems a remote chance. Or the new manager may have actual balls and just sell him at a huge loss, as Rogers did with Carroll. But I think we are stuck with him. He has had a good season and is a star in the eyes of many fans (read the cafe or other sites, or listen to fan interviews). It will be hard for the new manager to ship him out.

 

When did he have a good season?

 

The average fan has low expectation from Rooney since they can easily associate with him.

 

Do people in the know think Van Gaal would bench / sell Rooney?

From what I have read, Rooney is not a great fit for Van Gaals system as a 10, and RVP would be favored as a 9. And it sounds like Van Gaal has the balls to sell our "star" player.

He hasnt. According to our forum.

But you get out and about on other forums and listen to fan interviews / podcasts and most fans think hes had a great season. "Hes saved us this season". "Only good thing Moyes has done". "Where would be without his goals?". Etc.

And lets not get into the media bias.

 

SAF should have gotten rid himself, a big mistake from him

 

I dunno. I thought it was a clever play, setting up Rooney has the bad guy, and allowing Moyes to instantly have an air of authority in the big leagues. Fergie probably had a press release drafted supporting Moyes selling Rooney to Chelsea.

The only mistake Fergie made was thinking Moyes was up to the job. Fergie really did believe in Moyes. He probably cant fathom how Moyes has cocked it up so badly in every possible.