While you play your internet bingo game, I would prefer the non-team approach. I don't really care what the party affiliation is, fraud is fraud. 99% of the reason I even post anti Democratic party articles is to show you team-first types that corruption happens on your side, too.
Let's handle it this way: please provide the number, with citations, of accused, not convicted, persons who attempted successfully committed voter fraud over any time period since the 1940s that you can find. If it is larger than the number of people who are murdered by handguns in that year, or die from drowning in that year, or a wide plethora of things that are nonpartisan BAD things that should be fixed by politicians of any stripe that are not, then I will concede the point. I too have been involved in election-day voter appeals, and your my bullshit-o-meter still doesn't pass a test because the overwhelming majority (<95%) of appeals involve people who think they're registered in one address in town but are actually registered somewhere else. So you want to play the appeal to authority logical fallacy any more, or are we done here?
I know you do, but the next time you post a link you want me to read, try to make sure it doesn't come from TSUN.
Oh, you too became independent after 2012? How much is 99% of .0000000002%? Our main issue here is not even who is commiting voting fraud, is that it is by every meaningful measure non-existent.
Compared to you and Brummie I am independent. I've gone through this numerous times but I have worked for one of the most far left candidates you have ever heard of in Bob Fitrakis. My leanings on BS seem slanted right because it just simply isn't any fun to swim with the current. I do certainly lean right but my lean is much, much less right than you are left.
I think there is some distortion in your perception of what is the center. I pretty much support policies that are considered socialism in the US but are pretty much standard in most democracies in the developed world. That a President that runs on GOP ideas from 20 years ago is considered a socialist should tell you how tilted is the scale.
When did I say BO was socialist? Also, I am not particularly interested in where the center is anywhere but here.
Isn't it easier to think he is a bullshit libertarian? I didn't say you. The second part of your statement is a given (and by here I asume that you mean OH).
I believe the same group has been hired by Gov. Christie to clear him on Bridgegate. You cannot measure any crime, by the numbers caught. You might as well claim the common cold doesn't exist, because you've never seen germs. Could not open this. Hold it! You claimed that there were only 50 cases of fraud in the entire USA! Again, although it's obvious that you can't grasp the concept: you cannot measure any crime, by the numbers caught. Compare the totals for Georgia & South Carolina: 80/ 301 cases in GA, 0/1 in SC. Do you really believe that there is 300x as much election fraud in GA, as in SC? Can you conceive that no one in SC is actually looking in fraud? Similarly, CT & RI. Amazing, isn't it, that simply crossing a state line makes everyone honest, as far at voting goes, even though RI is usually considered one of the most corrupt states in the USA. I will. Meanwhile, you can drive down any highway at the speed limit, passing no one while tens of thousands pass you, then publish a study concluding that hardly anyone speeds, because you only saw one person pulled over by a trooper, and they may have only received a warning. Meanwhile, I'll claim that there was hardly any tax fraud in the USA because the IRS only convicted 2,634 in 2012, while ignoring 43 million administrative actions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_evasion_in_the_United_States#Historical_U.S._tax_evasion_cases No. I asked first, you go first. Show me the poster child! The person blocked from voting! As I said to dapip, you cannot prove the absence of fraud, by the absence of prosecution. Then, you must have a personal story, of someone who tearfully came to you, and told how they were prevented from voting by a roadblock, voter intimidation, or someone jumping out from behind a bush & yelling, "Boo!" You're done. Well, at least you said you were. Yet, I keep finding you here, like gum on the sole of my shoe.
Did you seek out Fitrakis to work for, or were you simply hired while looking for work? I once worked in a building chock full of middle-to-lower-class "values" voters, and a couple of my supervisors were into that sort of thing as well. But I was looking for work, not acceptable folks to associate with in my free time. Some folks would call that trolling, but I won't. I'll just say that I think any forum needs posters with the courage of their convictions to be taken seriously.
Fitrakis was one of my professors in college. I worked on one of his campaigns because what he was doing seemed like it was more than just talking. He had sit-ins at the Governor's office, with his media credentials he was able to really get in the face of politicians that he thought were corrupt and make them uncomfortable. Regardless of our disagreements on certain issues I respected his way of not caring about the consequences if he felt his way was right. He is what all politicians should be, regardless of ideology. My second point goes to the Fitrakis was of thinking. You can be all over the board as long as you really believe what you say.
Nobody has said that there is zero fraud, only that the numbers are so small that it is too expensive and next to impossible to catch each event. I think that it was Brummie who mentioned the total number of occurences in the US since 1945 or something. I did mention that 50 possible problems with registrations does not equate with thousands of fraudulent voters. And you are still mixing voting fraud with voting machine issues in the Florida recount fiasco. I did not say any of that. I think that was Brummie. However I can tell you that lines in Florida were waaaaaay longer during las election thanks to PRick Scott's shortening the early voting period. That was a bigger issue than fraud. But hey, keep chasing your mirage if that makes you happy.
That chart is so full of shit it should be brown. No way in hell Gary Johnson is an out-and-out right winger and is exactly centered on the authoritarian-libertarian axis. No ********ing way.
They compared the test questions with the speeches, publications, etc of those individuals IIRC; however it appeared to me that to some extent the test was also designed around those same expressions of position, making those placements maybe a bit tautological. That said, Johnson is in many ways almost as fascist as he is libertarian, assuming you realize that fascism is pretty much a marriage of governmental and business autocracies. Privatization of prisons, eminent domain, school vouchers, corporate assimilation of water rights, abortion-- there's a number of his signature positions which do not seem to match pure libertarianism as I understand it. His administration wasn't exactly a vacation for rugged individualists, of which we have a healthy share-- he just opposed all spending and revenue and wanted to legalize pot is all.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...a-suspends-another-error-riddled-voter-purge/ Once again, Ken Dentzer, Florida Gov. Rick Scott’s (R) handpicked Secretary of State, has unsuccessfully attempted to mount a massive purge of Florida’s voter rolls. And once again, he has been forced to abandon this effort due to his lack of an accurate list of who is and is not eligible to vote. In a memo, Dentzer told the state’s local election supervisors that the purge would be postponed until 2015. He plans to utilize a new federal database which he believes will be up and running by then and will provide more accurate data on who is and is not a U.S. citizen. In late 2011, Scott ordered a statewide purge of all “non-citizens” from the voter files. Despite questions about the accuracy of the purge list, Dentzer ordered local elections supervisors to mail letters to thousands in 2012, informing them that they appeared to be ineligible to vote. Hundreds of these letters went to U.S. citizens who were indeed legitimate voters, including a 91-year-old WWII veteran. After seeing the high error rates, even in a pared down list of “sure-fire” non-citizens, election officials of both parties spoke out and called a halt to the efforts. Dentzer pared down the initial list to just 198 names of people he deemed non-citizen voters. Even that turned up almost no non-citizens who had actually ever voted — just 39 of the state’s 11 million-plus registered voters. And even that small list included some documented U.S. citizens. Still, Dentzer called the purge effort his “passion” and “moral duty.” /quote
We (Floridians) are paying him to do PRick's Scott bid. Which is pretty much to dismantle the state and give it to his cronies and to curtail any efforts to vote him out of office. That's our "I took the fifth 75 times" governor.
Did you actually read the article? Only two people were identified by name, and both said they had no problem voting! Try again.
Is there any amount of evidence that would convince you that you are wrong? https://www.aclunc.org/sites/default/files/20140204-scott_v_bowen_complaint.pdf http://www.msnbc.com/politicsnation/how-voter-id-kept-minority-youths-the-po http://newamericamedia.org/2013/03/korean-americans-faced-voting-barriers-study-finds.php