the troubles

Discussion in 'International News' started by msilverstein47, Jul 12, 2013.

  1. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    And it's certainly helped by the fact the fella looks about as threatening as a gnome.

    In fact, I can just imagine him sitting cross-legged with a fishing rod in his hands :)
     
  2. The Biscuitman

    The Biscuitman Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
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    Fairly uncomfortable with Martin McGuinness attending a fancy do with the Queen on Tuesday but yeah, peace is what this is about so that has to come first I suppose
     
  3. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    Yeah, I saw that.

    As you say, peace has to come first, regardless of how much people might squirm.
     
  4. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

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  5. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
    #55 JBigjake, Apr 11, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2014
    Old news:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-18607911
    Which one should be more uncomfortable in this photo:
    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/61209000/jpg/_61209912_afpg015175860.jpg
    Some on both sides may not wish him well:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-26984719
    While I've never met him, someone who has told me MM has a cold-blooded stare:
    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/61085000/jpg/_61085700_015130422.jpg
    I would not expect him to visit Carrickfergus in the near future:
    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...ice-advise-public-to-avoid-area-30175767.html
     
  6. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
  7. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
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    Indeed!

    The point about the 'real' IRA attack on Omagh was that it happened several months AFTER the good Friday agreement was signed. If they wanted to protest why not attack the politicians that did it on BOTH sides of the border, not ordinary people who, even if they had an opinion about it, weren't in a position to actually change it.

    Oh, that's right... because that would risk THEIR lives, not some other mug just going about his or her day.
     
  8. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

    Jul 1, 2013
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    Why would he be uncomfortable he was a MI5 double agent all these years......

    Plus SF is the largest party in NI maybe they were discussing the fact they will soon take there seats and be seated at Westminster.
     
  9. Mr. Conspiracy

    Mr. Conspiracy Member+

    Apr 14, 2011
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    Isn't it still surprising to see religious intolerance in this day and age?
    Be it Ireland, Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, the USA, the USSR er Russia.
    And that is just a very smal sampling.
     
  10. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    It's a pity more countries aren't like the UK in that respect, where religion is something we tend to avoid...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27099700

    David Cameron risks causing "alienation" in society by saying Britain is a "Christian country", a group of public figures has warned.

    Author Sir Terry Pratchett was among 50 signatories of a letter to the Daily Telegraph saying Britain was a largely "non-religious society".

    The PM said the UK should be "more confident" about its Christianity, a view No 10 says he has stated before.

    Faith leaders have said they are "very comfortable" with Mr Cameron's views.

    The open letter's signatories included author Philip Pullman, performer Tim Minchin, journalist Polly Toynbee, philosopher AC Grayling and presenter Dan Snow.

    Its lead signatory was Professor Jim Al-Khalili, president of the British Humanist Association.

    The group said it respected the prime minister's right to his own religious beliefs, but said: "We object to his characterisation of Britain as a 'Christian country' and the negative consequences for politics and society that this engenders."

    This was discussed on the news today and one person mentioned that 56% of people in the latest census described themselves as 'christian' but, as someone else pointed out, that was in answer to the question, 'What religion are you'. IOW it's a leading question because it assumes people ARE religious. They're then inclined to look for an answer to satisfy the tone of the question.

    In other surveys, when people are asked 'Are you religious', only 26% of people said they were. In fact, IIRC, less than 7% attend church and the truth is there are almost as many MUSLIMS in this country as there are people who regularly attend a christian church.

    Calling us a 'Christian country', in that context, seems pretty bloody perverse.
     
  11. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

    Jul 1, 2013
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    Ya secularism and or atheist or agnostic beliefs are extremely high in Western Europe.
     
  12. Mr. Conspiracy

    Mr. Conspiracy Member+

    Apr 14, 2011
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    It would be better for all if religion were kept in the churches, temples, mosques, etc..what have you and kept out of politics. Let people worship who and what they want in the privacy of their place of worship. Beyond that let em keep it to themselves.
     
  13. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    Agreed!

    I've always thought that one of the reasons England is a nice place to live is because it's not considered the done thing to discuss religion or politics in 'polite' conversation.

    I knew a fella through work and spoke with him for about 15 years on and off, before finding out he was a catholic. I mean, you just don't talk about it... like, EVER!

    Nobody would ask about your 'church' or mention god or jesus and, if they do, they're normally considered nutters.

    I suppose it comes from the Act of settlement , the fact we're a densely populated country and an Island to boot. if you can't get on with someone, it's not like you can run away somewhere, is it. You're kinda stuck with them.
     
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  14. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    Saw this on the BBC website just now...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27112774

    Tony Blair, who was received into the Roman Catholic faith after leaving office, has always been a man of deep Christian faith. He could never quite understand why he could not share this with the voters. On one occasion, he wanted to end a prime ministerial speech with the line "God bless Britain", but was persuaded out of it by aides. "One of the civil servants said in a very po-faced way 'I just remind you prime minister, this is not America' in this very disapproving tone, so I gave up the idea. I think it is a shame that you can't since it is obviously part of what you are," he recalled, in 2012.

    :D
     
  15. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
    Perhaps he could have simply stated the title of the de facto UK national anthem ...
     
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  16. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
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    ...and there's a man who can't grasp that his views aren't the views of the nation.

    What the aide was clearly saying was that being openly religious is something of a vote-loser, particularly at a time when the US president was being mocked, actually more a sense of disbelief, when he said that he was guided by god.

    I don't actually think being religious in itself would be a problem for people, but being seen as strongly religious, certainly is.
     
  17. The Biscuitman

    The Biscuitman Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
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    Gerry Adams arrested for murder

    hope he never sees the light of day again
     
  18. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
    #68 JBigjake, Apr 30, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2014
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-27232731
    Unclear what admissible evidence against him remains after 40 years, or whether amnesty exists under the Good Friday agreements:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...sted-over-1972-murder-of-Jean-McConville.html
    "On tape, from beyond the grave, Brendan Hughes, a leading Belfast IRA man and former close associate of Mr Adams, said that the direct order to kill Mrs McConville came from Mr Adams. The late Dolours Price, the IRA woman who claimed to have been the driver of the vehicle in which Mrs McConville was abducted, had alleged the same thing. Mr Adams denied the claims.
    In February, suspected IRA terrorists were told they would no longer face prosecution in so-called “comfort letters” sent in the years after the Good Friday Agreement."
    Another suspect arrested last month was bailed after one week:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-26753438
     
  19. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
    #69 JBigjake, May 21, 2014
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