Bobby Jindal today bemoaned that Republicans have become the "party of the stupid." Well yeah, Bobby, and that ain't changing. Hop on over to the other side. There is plenty of room in the Democratic Party for pro-business, fiscally conservative, and nonstupid. Big tent and all.
If he did that, the only place he'd be relevant would be MSNBC. Although it would be interesting to see a politician changing parties before getting primaried for once.
Like I said, there's heavy overlap but there is a contingent of teabaggers who are secular glibertarians very much opposed to theocracy.
Yyyyyyeaaaaaaahhhhh, except there's not too much of a distinction. Google "Teavangelicals" or tea party and evangelicals.
I respectfully disagree. Libertarians are against many of the social policies that evangelicals fight the hardest for and it does cause a strain within the Reep ranks.
I'll break it down for you a bit easier: You are wrong. There isn't just "some overlap". Basically, Tea Partiers are evangelicals. You've divided 2 segments of the Reep coalition into 3 separate groups, when in fact those that study this issue have shown that TP = evangelicals under a different name, to the tune of 70% according to some and 90% according to others. Here's something from two researchers who actually studied the general issue of trends in political attitudes pre-TP "movement" and post: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/opinion/crashing-the-tea-party.html I remember reading something from a poli sci prof stating that his/her research showed 90%, but hey, I can't be bothered to hunt it down. This should suffice. Ball's in your court, bro. Prove your point or concede defeat. Please. It's for the children.
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/11/02/evangelicals-and-the-tea-party "A recent Public Religion Research Institute polls showed 36 percent of Tea Partiers are evangelicals." http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1903/tea-party-movement-religion-social-issues-conservative-christian The analysis shows that most people who agree with the religious right also support the Tea Party. But support for the Tea Party is not synonymous with support for the religious right. An August 2010 poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life found that nearly half of Tea Party supporters (46%) had not heard of or did not have an opinion about "the conservative Christian movement sometimes known as the religious right"; 42% said they agree with the conservative Christian movement and roughly one-in-ten (11%) said they disagree.3 More generally, the August poll found greater familiarity with and support for the Tea Party movement (86% of registered voters had heard at least a little about it at the time and 27% expressed agreement with it) than for the conservative Christian movement (64% had heard of it and 16% expressed support for it). As you can see, even among white evangelicals, the Tea Party doesn't even hit 50% agreement. http://publicreligion.org/research/2011/11/fact-sheet-alignment-of-evangelical-and-tea-party-values/ Nearly half (47 percent) of Americans who identify with the Tea Party movement also identify as a part of the religious right or Christian conservative movement. Again, not even half let alone a large enough number to assert that they're identical. So, the numbers support my argument that while Teavangelicals are a large presence in the Tea Party (but not even half of the group), the Tea Party is not the same as the Religious Right. I suspect that this may be why the Tea Party can't even get a bare majority agreement among evangelicals: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34291.html “There’s a libertarian streak in the tea party movement that concerns me as a cultural conservative,” said Bryan Fischer, director of Issue Analysis for Government and Public Policy at the American Family Association. “The tea party movement needs to insist that candidates believe in the sanctity of life and the sanctity of marriage.” “As far as I can tell [the tea party movement] has a politics that’s irreligious. I can’t see how some of my fellow conservatives identify with it,” said Richard Cizik, who broke with a major evangelical group over his support for government action on climate change, but who remains largely in line with the Christian right on social issues. “The younger Evangelicals who I interact with are largely turned off by the tea party movement — by the incivility, the name-calling, the pathos of politics.” I think this is where you and many, many other people are getting confused in thinking the two groups are the same (from the Spectator article): "Although the Tea Party does not emphasize social issues, the poll showed strong Tea Party majorities are conservative on abortion and same-sex marriage." While abortion and teh gheys are two evangelical causes celebres, my bet is that secular teabaggers and evangelicals also register strong agreement on other social issues such as the death penalty, womens' rights and welfare. Righties of different stripes are still righties after all, so you'd expect heavy overlap on their beliefs regarding various issues. The surprise would be if they disagreed on most things. Still, they don't always agree on everything. The difference in beliefs on race are striking. Also, you can agree with someone on one issue without sharing the same overall worldview. Greens and Libertarians both strongly want to legalize pot, for example, but each wants to do so for very different reasons and nobody would make the mistake of saying that Greens and Libs are the same. So, the bottom line here is that numbers don't support your assertion. You and a whole lotta other people on both sides of the fence and mistaking some agreement and some anecdotal evidence for a correlation not backed by the facts. Your turn....
The Greens, sure. The libs want it because it because it removes one more government regulation and if a few of them actually want to get high, so much the better.
Work. I work 15 hr days from Thurs-Sun, plus I've got a family. Again. Google "Teavangelical" and follow some of the academic links. Duly noted that Pew has did some polling on this in 2010. I wonder what they found in 2011: 69% of White evangelicals agree with the Tea Party. There's gobs more. There's even a frickin' section of the study titled: "Strong Support From Evangelicals". http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Tea-Party-and-Religion.aspx Please note that it's not advisable to have a theory based on nothing and then go out and "find" evidence for it. You're more likely to slip up. Please. It's for the children.
Too bad you didn't actually READ the article you posted to. The graph in the article is the EXACT SAME one I posted earlier that shows only a 44% agreement rate among white evangelicals. And the poll showing 69% support from "the religious right" (NOT 'white evangelicals as you stated!) is from 2010, not 2011. Go ahead, actually read your article. It's right there. Along with the caveat you also didn't read showing that the "religious right" is not synonymous with "white evangelicals". And the publicreligion.org article I cited is from 2011. Really, you should be embarrassed that I had to point all that out to you. All you've done is prove me right that there is heavy overlap between the teabaggers and evangelicals but even if the agreement was 69%, that's hardly "the same". I win.
Strong support from Evangelicals. Talk about embarrassing lil' details. I read the article. I took a far more nuanced view of it. I also read a study from scholars who studied the politics of evangelicals before and again after the TP "movement". http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/opinion/crashing-the-tea-party.html?_r=0 Look, bro. These guys were swept into power in 2010 and the most significant thing they've done across the country is pass HUNDREDS of anti-abortion laws. Yeah. Pure f***ing Libertarian. If there's a libertarian streak in the TP, show me in their legislation. Meanwhile, we've seen an unprecedented spike in abortion regulation. HELLO!!!!!!! That's called e-van-gel-i-cal.
The best way to show how unqualified fundamentalists are is to give them the reins of power. See: 2011 Eric Cantor, or 2012, Mohammad Morsi.
No it's not. It agrees with my position. Now if it said "Tea Parties are All Evangelicals", that would be even more embarrassing than your failure to read the articles you yourself post. Besides, you said teabaggers and evangelicals are identical. That would mean that all teabaggers would have to be evangelicals. The problem for you is that's not what the studies say. The studies says that somewhere between 47% and 75% of teabaggers self-identify as some kind of Christian conservative. At best, you can argue that "Christian conservatives" are overrepresented in the tea party compared to the general population to which the answer is "Well duh! Given that all teabaggers are by definition 'conservative', one can hardly expect ANY kind of liberal to be a teabagger, including liberal Christians!" And, of course, even if you take the highest figure of 75%, that means 1 in 4 teabaggers is NOT Christian. That's "heavy overlap", not "identical". This 25% (and probably more) is your strictly libertarian part of the group and it's these people who prove me right and you wrong. No you did not. If you had you wouldn't have made basic errors of fact about it. I know you're embarrassed but jeez, stop doubling down by lying. Your laziness is your downfall. It took me less than 30 seconds to look up the following. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Party-extreme-legislation-across-America.html http://mtcowgirl.com/2011/02/17/nutjob-bills-in-the-montana-legislature/ http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2014516234_milbank17.html Then there's what the teabaggers themselves say: http://www.teapartytribune.com/category/topics/legislation/ http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/category/state-legislation/ Read these articles this time! Once you do, you'll notice that very few of those proposed laws has anything to do with religion. The vast majority of it is straight up glibertarianism. Now as I've argued, there are a good portion of evangelicals (44% according to the study I posted and you reposted but you didn't bother reading) who also support these glib ideas but as even you can see from the articles, teabaggers are just as if not more concerned with guns, taxes, the deficit, immigration and Obamacare, none of which are religious issues. In fact, a Gallup poll showed that tea partiers were more strongly against Obamacare (87% unfavorable/12% favorable) than abortion (65% 'pro-life'/26% 'pro-choice'). It's guns, taxes and deficits that are the teabaggers' wheelhouse. Teabaggers, like these from TN, are also upset that Reeps are passing the kinds of social legislation that the religious right loves but teabaggers don't care as much about: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/18/tea-party-tennessee_n_1526670.html The split between the tea partiers' focus on guns, taxes and deficits has also caused outright friction with social conservatives such as the religious right: http://www.lifenews.com/2010/11/17/nat-6861/ First, as the articles I've linked to above will hopefully teach you, there's been a spike in all kinds of crazy glibertarian attempts at lawmaking. Second, criminalizing abortion has long been a Reep wet dream and such legislative surges have come in waves over the past few decades, long before the tea party came into existence. Finally, the religious right in general and evangelicals in particular have existed long before the tea party. They shared tea party beliefs long before there was a tea party. What makes the tea party different from just "evangelicals" is exactly the 25% to 53% of tea baggers who do not identify as any kind of Christian. It's them and their agenda regarding guns, taxes and the deficit that created the tea party. The fact that some conservative Christians recognized kindred spirits who hold some common concerns should surprise absolutely nobody. Of course, you may be making yet another error by saying that all Reeps are the same as tea partiers. Such a mistake would ignore the differences between different factions within the Republican Party and also ignore many on the far Right (such as "big L" Libertarians) who, despite significant ideological overlap on different issues, think the Reeps are a bunch of socialists or "big government" types. While I sympathize with your desire to lump all righties together into one big monolithic nuthouse but aside from being just plain lazy, failing to understand the differences between the various wingnut groups makes you less effective in dealing with them and their differing focuses and agendas. Now stop being lazy and go educate yourself!
This is a pretty literal example of the Republican Civil War. http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...095b68-4545-11e2-8061-253bccfc7532_print.html
I searched the article and found not even one mention of evangelicals or the religious right. The most I found was the reference that Armey wanted more support for Akin but didn't say why. That said, what a batshit crazy group.
So did I blink and miss the the GOP civil war? It would seem that the insanity as usual crowd have retained a pretty firm (if delusional) grip on the party, if one looks at Rubio's message from last night AND the fact that there was a tea party response, as well. What eroded authority the party's centrist branch still has seemed to buckle pretty quickly when, true to form, the crazies emerged from their post-election hangovers. Same as it ever was.