Reviving this thread in response to two pieces in the Sunday New York Times. First: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/o...t-doesnt-matter.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss Money quote and premise of entire article: Really? Is that true? Who is saying that? At least one quote from a noted, influential progressive should be easy enough to get if this notion is so widespread. I'm a progressive and I certainly don't believe that deficits don't matter. In fact, it was Cheney who said that, no? So the whole column fails any sniff test in my book because it's rooted in a lame Fox News talking point with no facts to back it up. Why is the Sunday Times printing this crap? Second: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/what-we-give-up-for-health-care/?partner=rss&emc=rss Again, who are these liberals that ignore costs? No quotes or evidence of this, just stating it and assuming it's a fact. I'm offended by the broad brush stroke and the assertion that because the health care politics of the last 20 years been driven by industry greed and old people, that this all comes down to free-spending liberals. Medicare Part D alone reminds us that no one is above pandering to voters with some free handouts. The only difference is that Republicans will only do it when they're in power and not when Democrats are in power. I'm a liberal, and I care a lot about healthcare costs. I think the US population is way overpaying and the profits go straight to giant insurance companies. My solution is to remove them from the equation. How is that ignoring costs? Anyway, I know it's the opinion page, but the Times is better than this. Two opinion pieces on the same day rooted in baseless right wing assumptions about the left is two too many.