The Official Boxing Thread VOL IX

I just read that Arum is planning a mini tourney with Pacquiao facing Bradley and Marquez fighting Peterson. The winners face off against each other in November.

This plan takes a dump on Golden Boy, as it takes away a chance for both Mayweather and Khan.

That being said, I like both of those fights. Much more interesting than Marquez v Alvarado. I would also love to see Juan face off v Bradley, so I would be pulling for Timmy vs PAC-man.

I thought he was fighting in Arena Mexico as his last fight??

All roads lead to Miguel Cotto

It is funny that the two top guys that should be fighting each other are actually more concerned in fighting it out to see who gets Cotto. There should be no interest in a Manny rematch, unless it is at JrMW, and even still I am not sure that it would make a difference. Floyd would be fighting a Manny "leftover" but hopefully without the catch weight. I do not know what would be the interest in the fight.

At this point, I would rather see Cotto fight a quality guy at his own weight. I would rather see him fight Canelo. If he does fight Floyd, though, it opens up another market of fighters that he did not have access to before. He would in all likelihood burn the Arum/Top Rank bridge.

LOL very true. But Cotto is the closest to Floyd and Pacquiao when it comes to selling PPV's. His PPV sales are pretty impressive.

Cotto would love to take a shot at avenging his loss. In doing so, he will have beaten every man he's stepped in to the ring with. But the word is right now that Manny's camp wants him to come down to between 145-147 if he wants to fight. I find that absolutely ridiculous and so does Cotto. Cotto has already said no to that and he has options. (Didn't Freddy Roach just last month say that he's against catch weight fights?)

Cotto: Does Pacquiao Fear Me?

Cotto said he's spoken to Mayweather's camp and they are ok with him staying at 154. He's going over numbers at this point and it looks much more likely to happen than a Pac rematch.

Mayweather v. Cotto would be a good fight IMO. I'm not so sure about Cotto winning but he does have a shot considering the fight may be held at 154. Cotto deserves a big payday again IMO. He's been doing well since moving up to 154.

In the end, Cotto can and will negotiate without Top Rank for a Floyd fight. Pac will end up fighting either Bradley or Peterson. It seriously looks like it will be Bradley now though. Pac and Floyd are going to just try to out-do each other right now when it comes to PPV, and the one who can generate huge revenue is Cotto.

Like I said, all roads lead to Cotto.

I never said this potential Peterson fight was his last.

haha

Just going by what he has been saying... i think he still has 2 or 3 more fights in him.

the Morales fight would be an awesome fight as his good bye.

Yeah, I found that Roach comment peculiar considering his biggest fighter is the Catch-Weight Daddy. I've always been irked that the supposed 7th and 8th historical championships were won at catchweights (one for a "vacated" title).

I see you on the revenue factor that Cotto brings to the table. I do not agree completely that Cotto has done well at 154. In my opinion, going life and death with Mayorga and having Margarito's eye injury factor into the outcome of the fight does not equate being good. Just my opinion. I do, however, believe that a Mayweather-Cotto fight could be a good one. I also feel that Cotto would be doing himself a major service by stepping away from Top Rank/Arum.

Again, Arum is just disgraceful. The WBC has absolutely no shame and I'm coming forward right now to say that Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. is an absolute fraud if this is true.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/1/3...rgio-martinez-hbo-boxing-news-bob-arum-quotes

First, they prematurely strip Martinez of his title and basically hand it to Jr. Then they order a fight between Jr. and Martinez. Then the WBC backs off to let Jr. face Marco Antonio Rubio this week with the condition that he fight Martinez next. Now Arum is saying that Rubio will be first, then Margarito (because he's done so much recently to deserve a title shot), and then it will be Martinez.

If this is true, what I've said before on this site about Jr. ducking Martinez can't be more true. He's a paper champion that is banking off his daddy's name.

How does losing your last 2 fights make you a contender?

WBC and Arum...que no mamen!

lol dudes joke....i been sayin that shit.

What a disgrace. It's good to know at least that he doesnt have many years remaining.

sucks for Berto...getting injured this close to a fight has to suck ass...

When it comes to who's really at fault. We need to put much more blame on Arum. We've seen the questionable moves he's pulled in the past. Shit, just look at the BS he's pulling to keep Pac/PBF from fighting. Chavez Jr is being given rather easy money. You can't blame him too much for taking it. However, I do wish he would(because he has the power) just tell Arum to screw himself so he can truly prove his mettle. It's all really ho hum in the sport.

I understand this completely and at the end of the day I know Jr. is rolling with the punches as far as the fighters that Arum is putting in front of him. But fighters also have some level of autonomy and decision-making power when it comes to who and when they fight. This is especially true of world champions and even more so of fighters who can generate money in the way that Jr. does.

If Top Rank was the only big promotion company. I would blame Jr even less. As long as Golden Boy is out there leverage does exist for him to put his foot down. All in all it's just another dirty facet of the sport.

So I heard Brandon Rios vs Yuriokis Gamboa is almost a done deal. Any truth to this?

I haven't heard anything but Rios moving up which up to Jr Welter which would nullify a match between the two. I'll ask some peeps what they know about this.

EDIT: Damn I get news quick lol. So I got word they want to fight on HBO in April(Mandalay Bay). However, the money isn't right for either guy, and that's whats holding things up. One of my boys says it does look rather grim, but you never know. A lot of people do want to see this fight.

I do not really care to see the Gamboa-Rios fight. I do not think it is a great match-up, based on the disparity of weight. It is just another way in which Bob Arum is shitting the sport. Sure, it will make money. And both guys have their fanbases, but come on, there is no one at 135 or 140 for Rios to fight? There is no one at 126 or 130 for Gamboa to fight? Really?

Anyhow, Chavez Jr goes along with all this crap because it benefits him. I am sure he is aware of what it would mean to fight Sergio Martinez. Like SDS says, he is one of the money players in the sport. He does have some say. Margarito?! FFS, what a ridiculous idea. But I guess it is no more ridiculous than Pacquiao facing Margarito for a title at a weight class in which neither had competed in (ranked in terms of Margs) and with one coming off a one year suspension.

But just as dirty as the promoters here are the sanctioning bodies. I will not rant further, though.

I don't know. Rios didn't even make weight his last time out and he looked like he was hurting during the fight. Like a true champ, he pulled it out but making the weight seems to be hurting him more than anyone else.

Look at what holding out did with Gamboa and JuanMa. Everyone wanted this fight so badly 2-3 years ago. Now no one cares because JuanMa lost to Salido. It would have meant great money, but more than anything it would have been good for the sport. Arum screwed that up too.

That is what I'm saying. I heard that Garcia brought in a conditioning expert to see if they can keep Rios at 135 a little bit longer for a potential Gamboa clash. I think it is ridiculous. There are a ton a great match-ups (including other promotions fighters) at Jr WW. What is the point of keeping someone at a weight they obviously have outgrown?

I think Arum sits and prays that Mayweather Jr loses his upcoming fight(s) so that people will forget about that fight too.

Floyd is fully aware. Latest word is that he is close to closing on a Canelo fight.

For May 5th Alvarez makes the most sense. If it happens, this is a major step up for Canelo. I dont see it going too well for him, but good luck kid.

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i can see canelo losing.. by knock out.. but at such a young age its a win win. lose and he gains the experience of fighting one of the top dogs.