News: The Home Depot Center is no more...

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  1. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder (and am too lazy to Google it) if the first naming-rights agreement for a new building is considered to be more valuable than subsequent ones. I'm talking about those stadiums and arenas that, like HDC, were never known as anything but the corporate name.

    I would think that there is some value to a sponsorship that results in at least a few "used to be known as..." mentions, and so pays off after the original agreement runs out.
     
  2. redinthemorning

    redinthemorning Member+

    Apr 26, 2011
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's an interesting point, and one some cursory googling can't really answer. I need to break out the Excel spreadsheet. The tough part is that some of these deals get extended before expiring, and in that case, do you average the value over the life of the deal? Or treat it as separate naming agreements. At any rate, the volatile nature of the financial industry makes it a real pain to track indoor arenas in the US.

    The Artist Formerly Known as The Home Depot Center has a long future ahead. There's a massive gulf between places that sell out when the end is near and when the arena will be there for a while. For example, Compaq entered a deal to name The Summit here in Houston from 1998-2003. It was worth $900,000 a year. In 2001, Compaq took over naming rights for the then San Jose Arena for $3.1 million a year; that deal will last until 2016.

    It's not easy to predict. HDC was worth an additional $30 million for construction costs. Reliant Energy symbolically added value to the Astrodomain deal because the Texans were the 32nd NFL franchise. MetLife already had a major sponsorship deal with New Meadowlands Stadium. So there's a lot at play with these deals.

    We also have our share of unique situations in MLS. New England and Seattle were driven by other circumstances. NYRB and Montreal are named for owners. There's the LSP fiasco. I'm unsure of the exact services rendered, but BBVA Compass Bank played a part in the stadium financing here in Houston. And we have The Home Depot materials agreement in Carson. There's not a huge body of deals made in a vacuum, to say the least.
     
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  3. Allez RSL

    Allez RSL Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Home

    The only stadium I could find consecutive naming rights deals for was Minute Maid, which paid $170 million for 28 years, after Enron died, which had committed to $100 million for 30 years.

    Minute Maid was 80% more than Enron, so apparently not worried about the "used to be known as" problem. And some things I've read made it sound like the Astros were keen to sell to get rid of the unofficial "used to be Enron field" name of their stadium (it was "Astros Field" for a few months in 2002), but still got a higher contract.
     
  4. revsrock

    revsrock Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    Boston Ma
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pink Taco Stadium. They did try to get the Arizona Cardinals Stadium naming rights when that stadium opened.
     
  5. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I heard there was this new up and coming successful company called Herbalife. Maybe they'd be interested. A buddy who is a hedge fund manager gave me the stock tip so they must be a good company.
     
  6. GVPATS77

    GVPATS77 Member+

    Aug 18, 2008
    Fullerton, CA
    The Honda Center (Where the Ducks play hockey) used to be called the Arrowhead Pond. Arrowhead paid $15 million for 10 years in 1993. In 2006, Honda paid $60 for 10 years.

    Not sure what happened with the naming rights between 2003-2006. And obviously inflation plays a part in all of this. But it doesn't seem to be unheard of for the second naming rights deal to be considerably more lucrative than the first.
     
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  7. Allez RSL

    Allez RSL Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Home
    $15 million in 1993 was worth about $21 million in 2006 (using CPI Inflation), so yeah, that's a big 2nd contract.
     
  8. GVPATS77

    GVPATS77 Member+

    Aug 18, 2008
    Fullerton, CA
    There is also the Hec Edmunson Pavilion where UW plays basketball. Was called Bank of America Arena. Recently switched to Alaska Airlines arena.

    Depending on what source you want to go with, they went from $500k/year to $700k/year when they went through the sponsorship change.
     
  9. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, but outside TV announcers nobody calls it that. Everybody calls it HecEd. I'm guessing that might have an effect on the amount. Though it was that way for both BoA and Alaska, so the relative difference is probably still valid.
     
  10. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    What does everybody call FC Dallas' stadium?

    I still find myself referring to it as Pizza Hut Park for wont of a better label.
     
  11. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    I call FC Dallas Stadium, FC Dallas Stadium since FC Dallas Stadium has been the name since the sponsorship was dropped.

    //bing maps still has Pizza Hut Park.
     
  12. GVPATS77

    GVPATS77 Member+

    Aug 18, 2008
    Fullerton, CA
    Yeah. I just through that in there because there are so few examples of stadiums I can think of off the top of my head that have been around long enough to have their original naming rights sponsor deal expire, who have then moved on to a new partner.

    I'm sure there are plenty of others out there. But those are two just popped up off the top of my head.

    It should be noted that I still find myself referring to the Honda Center as "The Pond" more often than not.
     
  13. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    I call it Frisco Stadium, since it is way out there.
     
  14. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We prefer to call it The Trophy Case. And until you guys move out of The Rental Wreck, we'll be happy to store your trophies for you if you can remember where you put them.
     
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  15. El Naranja

    El Naranja Member+

    Sep 5, 2006
    Alief
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe that Compass backed the financing for the stadium deal between the Dynamo and County/City.
     
  16. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    So in reality, it was just a 40 million dollar deal. 70 million looks great on a newspaper but it's more of a smokescreen.
     
  17. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    So, you're saying they didn't get 30 million worth of building materials?

    EDIT: A lot of sponsorships aren't just cash transfers. The big adidas deal with MLS is mostly goods. Basically adidas extends a line of credit from which MLS uses adidas' money to buy adidas clothing and gear. The signboard at your local stadium for a local sports medicine provider is usually a swap deal with the team doctor. The team gets free/heavily discounted services and the doctor gets the status and recognition of being affiliated with the team.

    Whether Home Depot wrote checks totaling 4o million or 70 million isn't really germaine. What is is the total value of the sponsorship.
     
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  18. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Doesn't VW have first dibs at the possibility of naming rights for a DCU stadium?
     
  19. MLSFan123

    MLSFan123 Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Boston Area
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you misunderstood what I wrote..

    From Home Depot's point of view, the net sponsorship was $40m.

    However from LA's point of view it was most certainly $70m.

    The $30M in materials was going to be spent at some store no matter if the sponsorship deal was signed or not as the complex needed the materials to be built.

    It was the perfect marriage of a win-win deal.
     
  20. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    $4 million a year is still excellent, more than what some NFL, MLB, and NBA teams get for their venue deals.
     
  21. RSL Punk 2

    RSL Punk 2 Member

    Sep 11, 2010
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Wow. Paging Dr. Freud . . .
     
  22. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

    Jun 8, 2005
    Long Beach, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Google Center would look no-nonsense and a hit.
     
  23. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

    Jun 8, 2005
    Long Beach, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  24. RapidStorm

    RapidStorm Member+

    Jan 30, 2005
    Denver, CO
  25. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

    Jun 8, 2005
    Long Beach, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We'll call it The Hospital.

     

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