The Draw Was Rigged

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by dsnipes1, Dec 9, 2013.

  1. Saldgotti1991

    Saldgotti1991 Member+

    Jun 7, 2011
    San Diego
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Um if I remember correctly, just about every FA had something to say about Qatar 2022!
     
  2. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Too bad Thomas Flannigan isn't here. This thread would be 38.4% funnier.
     
  3. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They fared as well as you could expect them to fare if a Sepptic Bladder had been handled by a Mad Qatar.
     
  4. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ghana = Knocked the USA out of the previous 2 World Cups
    Germany = Knocked the USA out of the 2002 World Cup
    Portugal = Ronaldo is well-known to American soccer and non-soccer fans alike. Higher TV Ratings = More $$$ for FIFA.
     
  5. mastermoo

    mastermoo Member

    Jul 1, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    are you asserting that draws are always rigged? or that fifa was angry about criticism? the reality is that this world cup is one of the best ever in terms of quality, and with the US being one of the best teams in the weakest pot it was always unlikely that they got into a group of life. Ivory coast had been in the group of death its 1st 2 world cups ever and they never accused fifa of anything, this is incredibly petty and childish, the US got a tough draw. get over it. this is a tough draw for ghana and portugal too, same with italy and uruguay and chile and most teams in the tournament to be honest.
     
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  6. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    US in the second round = Even Higher TV Ratings = Even More $$$ for FIFA. (Though I don't know quite how, because the TV rights have already been sold and the advertising will be sold, it's not like they go back and say, "Well, this many people watched, so now you owe me this much more than you already paid.")
     
  7. Sam U El

    Sam U El Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 31, 2013
    Seoul Korea
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...And the success of the X-Files.
     
  8. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When it comes to FIFA draws, yes, I assert that.

    I do not have any confidence in the current FIFA regime.

    Canchon was saying it was about the criticism, not me.
     
  9. mastermoo

    mastermoo Member

    Jul 1, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    so you believe that this full draw was created before the draw and that the whole ceremony was a hoax? or do you believe only certain nations were targeted. I ofcourse do not believe any of this (because if it were in any way proven the scandal would destroy FIFA and theres no way they could keep that information to a mere handful of executives especially in such a public ceremony, this is just a knee-jerk response to the 1st group of death the US has ever had) but I'm interested on what exactly is being alleged
     
  10. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe it was created before the draw because it's in FIFA's best interests to do so. If it were proven in any way, FIFA would go right along on its merry way, because FIFA has no methods of accountability for any wrongdoing of its leadership. Just being a realist about it.

    I mean, really, wasn't the whole Qatar World Cup "bid" an obvious giveaway of FIFA's crookedness? What makes you think their draws and ceremonies aren't just as crooked?
     
  11. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    That FIFA is crooked is one thing. That the draw is rigged is entirely another. I think mastermoo is trying to get at why you go so far as to conflate those things and assume everything is micromanaged (or microrigged) when there is no evidence of such.

    It makes no sense to say the draw is rigged and to see Spain and the Netherlands at risk of being knocked out by Brazil as early as the second round, or worse yet, of knocking out Brazil. Several groups don't make sense but the way conspiracy theories work that doesn't matter, what matters are the cooked up ideas like the notion that FIFA wants to retaliate against certain nations. Those things take hold and people won't let go of them.

    Yes, FIFA is unaccountable, they're effectively a mafia. They take bribes for hosting the Cup and rationalize them away as part of the procedure. If they wanted to rig the draw they could, but they don't have to. That doesn't make them "less" crooked because we're not comparing them to anyone here, there's only FIFA and they're crooked as it gets. But they'll do just fine with a semi-random draw (the seeds are not random, and the geographical separation is not random, everything else is). They get more out of making it a super-production (check how much money went into the whole shindig) and selling TV rights than out of rigging it. The World Cup is going to fill their pockets just fine without being rigged.
     
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  12. ghost101

    ghost101 Member

    Jul 5, 2009
    London
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    What a conspiracy theory.

    Remember that with 8 groups and the seedings the way they were, groups were likely to be interesting.

    Given there are 8 groups, the probability of having 1 or more groups where teams have a bit of history against each other isn't that low.

    It just happened to be the US and obviously with bigsoccer's massive American userbase that point is missed.

    If it happened to the French team then I expect a similar thing to be said on French forums etc. etc.

    There is no evidence to suggest the draw wasn't random. However, the decision to use the Pot X procedure is obviously not random but chosen. That's the only part that was fixed.

    The seeding procedure was announced well in advance and so there is nothing wrong with that either.
     
  13. TabLalas

    TabLalas Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, FIFA are scumbags but the difficulty of this World Cup was set in stone when the seedings came out with teams like Colombia, Belgium and Switzerland. THAT'S when people should have been discussing this whole thing being rigged, not now.
    Sorry, I still think like a player, you STILL have to go out and play hard and try to get results, that hasn't changed.
    We got a tough group, so f'ing-what?
    Stop crying and knuckle-down.
     
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  14. gaucho16

    gaucho16 Member

    Jul 2, 2012
    Perhaps they can use it for the next WC's TV rights negotiations. Long term planning by FIFA:D.
     
  15. gaucho16

    gaucho16 Member

    Jul 2, 2012
    Part of the perk of being one of the former players inducted in the draw process is that you get the inside knowledge that all of the World Cup matches in which you have participated in the past have been the result of rigged draws.

    Though one may think that this would bother at least one of the 50+ former players that would have participated in this process causing the whole house of cards to come crashing down. It doesn't. The coziness of being on the inside trumps their integrity.
     
  16. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The former does not necessarily prove the latter.

    The former was obvious to all. The latter requires people to do a Zapruder-like analysis of the video and draw conclusions that dovetail nicely with their pre-existing insecurities given America's long position as an object of derision in the global soccer context.

    That doesn't mean the draw was rigged.

    As TabLalas said above....it's a tough ********ing draw. Tough shit. Go play. I don't know who you're going to appeal to, the World Court or what, or exactly what justice people think they're going to exact by never leaving their ********ing computers.
     
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  17. ghost101

    ghost101 Member

    Jul 5, 2009
    London
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Right. You need to come up with an absurd rationalisation to keep your conspiracy theory alive.

    Occam's razor has never been more applicable.

    Instead of building the logic that the dozens if not hundreds of people involved in draws over the years lacking integrity, how about as one of the possible of outcomes it happened.

    Many unlikely things happen every day. For example the exact numbers of whatever your national lottery is has a 1 in x million chance of being selected. And yet it happens.

    On a roulette wheel, whatever combination of colours you see for 10 spins, is exactly the same probability as 10 reds coming out in a row.
     
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  18. evan eleven

    evan eleven Member

    Jun 4, 2009
    California
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    mostly what got my attention was the fact that both USA and England got games in Manaus right after both their managers said, "anything but Manaus!" pretty fishy... :cautious:
     
  19. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In Manaus, those fish could well be piranhas.
     
  20. RidiculousLichaj

    May 18, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not saying it was or wasn't rigged. Still, how hard could it have been to open the balls in front of the camera? If he had just done that instead of fumbling around with the podium, it would have removed all doubt. Just makes you wonder for sure.

    Another thing I thought was weird while watching live was after Zidane picked his first ball, he looked back at the bowl with a "did I pick the right ball?" look as he was walking away. That's probably a massive stretch though, and of course would make the podium thing irrelevant.

    I really need to go to bed or study or do something more productive with my time.
     
  21. Rexazure

    Rexazure Member

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    Genoa CFC
    Yes the draw was rigged. It is FIFA we are talking about.

    No, the draw was not rigged through an incredibly obvious switching of the papers inside the balls behind a counter. FIFA is an incredibly rich and important organization. They have the money to rig the draw without anyone having a clue how.
     
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  22. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    Even Alexi Lalas admitted that the draw is rigged a little bit to come up with the best tournament.

    How happy would people be with a group of Argentina, Brazil, Spain, Germany?

    How happy would people be with a group of Greece Australia, Croatia and Cameroon?

    Everyone would watch the first group, the second not so much.
     
  23. mastermoo

    mastermoo Member

    Jul 1, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    this thread is beyond all hope and logic. by seperating the groups by pots, FIFA is already ensuring good teams go through. England and USA got some of the best draws last world cup, did blatter love them then? and I guess some one in fifa also hated the ivory coast from 2006-2010?

    The US was in the weakest pot in an exceptionally strong world cup, and subsequently got put into a hard group randomly. If there is any unhappyness, it should be at the pot system itself, not any nonexistent rigging. God forbid the US get grouped with countries its played before, 4/5 of Nigerias world cup groups have had Argentina in them, these things happen its the nature of the random draw.

    Get over it, ive never seen such a disgusting reaction to a countries 'First!' group of death! and it may not even be the hardest group in the WC! I can only hope this is only because of some grudge held after the awarding of 2022 that will dissipate after the US is inevitably given the rights to host 2026
     
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  24. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did you even read this thread? Most of the posters are saying the draw was rigged to increase TV ratings, not because "FIFA hates the US." The latter is completely illogical. The former has financial motivation.
     
  25. mastermoo

    mastermoo Member

    Jul 1, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    the world cup will be a monetary success regardless, theres no reason to conjure up 'Story lines'. and there have been many posters pointing towards the US and England the difficulty of those 2 draws individually (ex. being drawn to Manaus) as reasons for rigging. i focused on those posters because i found them particularly offensive

    Honestly, i dare you to simulate a draw and not get scintillatingly interesting groups that will have high TV ratings, it is the nature of the high level of competition this year. Im simply saying that FIFA did not draw up these exact groups before the draw and have a sham presentation where premade groups were presented, and I disagree with anyone who asserts that regardless of their reasoning.
     

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