The Did you know thread. Uselss, but fascinating trivia, facts and stories

Discussion in 'Soccer History' started by Excape Goat, Oct 17, 2007.

  1. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    I do not disagree (since no one knows for sure) but there are two things about the "step over"
    1- Scissor move of Adam was so different to what Ronaldo (succeeded by Denilson, Zidane, Ronaldinho, Robinho, then CR7, Ganso, Neymar Lucas moura ...)

    2- I am quite sure that Ronaldo never watched nor he ever heard of such name Adam (to learn from)- Even though many in SA believed Rivelino had "invented" it, Ronaldo neverwatched Rivelino with that move and his R9 trademark (much complex and faster) was also very different to what Rivelino did (much simpler and slower)

    Ronaldo often did double or (multi) steps over, while Rivelino and Adam did more like a single step or even just a feint step (not complete)
     
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  2. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    If you read the biography of the famous Brazilian forward Jairzinho on wikipedia (both English and Portuguese version) it says that he played for the famous Rio de Janeiro club "Botafogo FR" and that Jairzinho became the successor of Botafogo's legendary right winger Garrincha in the mid-1960s.

    However, there is a second, less famous club called "Botafogo FC" which is located in São Paulo. It's the club which once lost 0-11 to Pele's Santos in 1963 (with Pelé scoring 8 or so goals). If you check the lineups of that Paulista Botafogo club, there's a player called "Jairzinho" playing for them from the mid-1960s to the mid-1970s.

    Either there was another player called "Jairzinho" playing back then or indeed the biographies of the famous Jairzinho are falsely stating the Botafogo from Rio as his club, instead of the real club he played for, the little unknown Botafogo from São Paulo. Which also leaves one scratching the head about the lore of Jairzinho having been the successor of Garrincha at the "famous" Botafogo...
     
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  3. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    "Ídolo" page dedicated to Jairzinho on the Botofogo FR website.
    http://www.botafogo.com.br/idolos_interna.php?jogador=Jairzinho&i=5&cat=oclube

    Lineup I found for Botafogo FC (SP) against Santos (21 November 1964):
    Machado; Ditinho, Carlucci, Tiri, Maciel; Hélio Vieira, Adalberto; Zuíno, Alex, Antoninho, Gaze
    http://www.semprepeixe.com.br/ha_50..._oito-noticias_do_santos_f_c-ispyp-972405.htm
    http://www.acervosantista.com.br/pa...antos-11-x-0-botafogo-sp-campeonato-paulista/
     
  4. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    Indeed, Jairzinho wasn't playing in the 0-11 vs. Santos in 1964. I have a book which has all lineups of every game played in the "Campeonato Paulista" since 1953, and that's what I meant about lineups. There's a regular player called "Jairzinho" (a winger) playing for Botafogo FC (São Paulo league) in each season. It's really a bit of a mystery. Either it's a different player ... or history has to be re-written. :eek:
     
  5. Lucas...

    Lucas... Member+

    Dec 18, 2012
    You're probably talking about Jairzinho de Freitas, an unknown ponta-direita. He played in several teams in the São Paulo state, including Palmeiras in 1966. Throughout his career, played for Botafogo de Ribeirão Preto. The article does not tell exactly what year he played for Botafogo.

    http://terceirotempo.bol.uol.com.br/que-fim-levou/jairzinho-de-freitas-1605

    Terceiro Tempo is a Brazilian website and has a section with short biographies of many Brazilian players of the past.

    http://terceirotempo.bol.uol.com.br/que-fim-levou
     
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  6. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Rightly so ...
    and very good link Lucas :thumbsup:
     
  7. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War

    When I first followed soccer, I read books on the game. The Football War was often mentioned, but I do not know if the casual fans knew about it.

    Meanwhile, in 1967, the two factions involved in the Nigerian Civil War agreed to a 48-hour ceasefire so they could watch Pelé play an exhibition game in Lagos This became the story how Pele stopped war.

    Maradona's daughter played Pele's daughter.


    https://www.worldsoccer.com/news/diego-maradona-unhappy-see-daughter-cast-peles-offspring
     
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  8. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
  9. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    That solves it I guess!

    So who would have thought that at the same time that the famous Jairzinho started out his career playing at Botafogo FR, another Jairzinho was playing for another Botafogo club? Weird stuff.
     
  10. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Thirty years from now, someone would post about Ronaldo who played for real madrid from 2002 to 2007 and then, 2009 to 201X. :)
     
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  11. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    yes even now, many youngsters (not real football fans) are already confused about them
     
  12. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    When I was a kid, one of the Hong Kong's clubs signed a Dutch player named Jan Peters in 1984. The press thought they signed Jan Peters who was considered one of the top Dutch players in the early 1980's. Instead, they signed another Dutch player named Jan Peters. Seriously, how many Dutchmen have the surname "Peters" in the world?

    This was the Jan Peters who joined the HK club. he actually played for Feyenoord.
    http://www.feyenoord-online.com/nl/spelersarchief/p_peters_jan.htm

    The more famous Jan Peters.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Peters_(footballer)
     
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  13. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich

    Of course there are many players that share the same name like the two Ronaldos however in the case of the two Jairzinhos what really makes it special is not only the shared name but the two clubs of the same name called "Botafogo". To make an analogy, the situation with the two Jairzinhos would be like today having two Lionel Messis (the famous one and a far less famous one) playing at the same time in the same country for two different clubs both called "Barcelona".
     
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  14. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    True. But I, personally, must admit that I had never heard of this other Jairzinho (the non-World Cup winner) that you had recently brought up.
    And 30 years later, when a question about "Jairzinho of Botafogo" is asked, most everyone knows which player is being referenced.
    30 years from now you'd probably have to be more specific when asking a question about "Ronaldo of Real Madrid". Or even (perhaps incredibly) "Müller of Bayern Munich".
     
  15. Ribeiro dos Reis

    Mar 17, 2012
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    No way. There were seven players so far: Alhinho, Derlei, Eurico, Fernando Mendes, Futre, Peixe and Romeu.

    All of them were national champions at least one time for one club. But Eurico (actually the first to play in all 3 clubs) is the player so far with the best record, being national champion two times in all clubs! Fernando Mendes also holds one particular record, is the only Portuguese player to ever played in all Portuguese clubs that were national champions (Benfica, Sporting, Porto, Boavista, Belenenses).

    Here's the total record of them all, in no particular order:

    * Eurico Gomes, defender, player from the 1970's to the 1980's, 4 seasons (Benfica), 3 seasons (Sporting), 5 seasons (Porto). Youth Development: Benfica, among other regional clubs. 6 times national champion (two times in all clubs), 10 national titles, International Player for Portugal, Semi-Finalist of the Euro 1984. Played more than 100 games for Benfica. Became a manager after retiring, always with medium-small teams.

    * Carlos Alhinho, defender, player from the late 1960's to the 1980's, 4 seasons (Benfica), 3 seasons (Sporting), 1 season (Porto). Youth Development: Académica, among other regional clubs. 3 times national champion (2x Benfica, 1x Sporting), 8 national titles, International Player for Portugal. Played 90 games for Benfica. Became a manager after retiring, with some success mainly with Angola's national team (1st CAF qualification), he had University attendance . Died in 2008 after falling into one hotel's elevator shaft. :(

    * Fernando Mendes, defender, player from the 1980's to the 2000's, 3 seasons (Benfica), 6 seasons (Sporting), 3 seasons (Porto). Youth Development: Sporting. 4 times national champion (1x Benfica, 3x Porto), 10 national titles, International Player for Portugal. Played less than 40 games for Benfica.

    * Paulo Futre, Forward, player from the 1980's to the 1990's, 1 season (Benfica), 1 season (Sporting), 3 seasons (Porto). Youth Development: Sporting, among other regional club. 2 times national champion (2x Porto). 5 national titles. European Champion. International Player for Portugal, presence in the 1986 World Cup. Played less than 15 games for Benfica and cost a fortune then :eek: Probably the most talented player of his generation, filled a gap from Chalana until Figo and the Golden Generation. He was also well known abroad, being Italian Champion and quite a legend for Atl. Madrid. After retiring, became an entrepreneur and a tv figure after a legendary presentation for Sporting elections that involved Chinese Players and Charters. :D

    * Romeu, Midfielder, player from the 1970's to the 1980's, 2 seasons (Benfica), 3 seasons (Sporting), 4 seasons (Porto). Youth Development: V. Guimarães, among other regional clubs. 2 times national champion (both with Benfica). International Player for Portugal. Played less than 20 games for Benfica. After retiring, became a manager of modest clubs and an assistant managers in big and medium clubs.

    * Emilio Peixe, Midfielder, player from the 1990's to the 2000's. 1 season (Benfica), 7 seasons (Sporting), 5 seasons (Porto), including a loan in between. Youth Development: Sporting, among other regional clubs. 2 times national champion (both with Porto). International Player and the winner of the Golden Ball in FIFA's U-20 World Cup in Lisbon in 1991, where the Portuguese Golden Generation won its 2nd World title. Peixe never achieved at senior level the same level of perfomance. He only played 2 games while at Benfica, with a total of 15 minutes (2 minutes one game, 13 minutes the other...:ROFLMAO:). After retiring, he's been coaching some of Portugal's youth teams.

    * Derlei, Forward, player from the 1990's to the 2000's. 1 season (Benfica), 2 seasons (Sporting), 3 seasons (Porto). He has Brazilian-Portuguese nationality (only recently the latter). 2 times national champion (both with Porto). European Champion. Played less than 15 games for Benfica. Don't know much more about him.:cautious:
     
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  16. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid

    I discovered about this Brazilian center defender named Davi Luis today. When I googled his name, only David Luiz appeared.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. Breitner'sWig

    Breitner'sWig Member

    Apr 24, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I was talking with my dad post match at the weekend, he mentioned a story from following St Mirren.

    For a short while in the 60s they had ex Celtic goalkeeper Dick Beattie. During a time when the Buddies really struggled he was far and away their best player and went on some dramatic run of penalty saves (he suggested close to 10 of them but don't ask me to prove anything!). This belied his reputation in England where he had performed badly.

    Then a scandal arose in England and the world when the Galacticos of Yorkshire, the Hillsbrough Globetrotters, lost not just one, but multiple football matches. Naturally the police intervened. (Actually a match fixing ringleader had instigated three Wednesday players (and himself!) selling his story to the press).

    Dick Beattie was accused from his patchy time in England, but my dad recalled a recent conceeded penalty that ended his great run of saves - having got both hands to it as usual, he had turned it into the goal with his thumbs.

    Beattie was arrested following a brilliant display where St Mirren managed to beat Rangers, thanks to him. The cries from the terraces were 'you've got the wrong man, it's these 10 criminals that need locking up'.

    When later convicted he was given a 9 month sentence and was banned from football for life.
     
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  18. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
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  19. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting one here, but was just looking over the WC groups for this summer and just realized that for Group C will contain 4 teams that have never met before in the world cup: Colombia, Greece, Ivory Coast, and Japan... yeah I know... I'm sure it's happened before.. in fact, it had to have happened before, but just wondering when was the last time we've had a group like that with 4 teams w/ no WC history between them?
     
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  20. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    The first tour by a "black" team known as Basuto XI (south african side) in 1899, facing british sides. They also played 1 match in France (their solitaire win)
    http://www.rsssf.com/tableso/oranje-england9900.HTML

    Full article, here
    http://eprints.aston.ac.uk/16771/1/The_1899_Orange_Free_State_Football_Team_Tour.pdf


    Interesting trivia is that other SAF sides were formed for "whites-only" players, in the South African Football Association (FASA), such as the ones whom touring Argentina and Uruguay at 1906.
    And played most of the matches in the Corinthians tours from 1897, 1903 and 1907.

    South Africa also faced an amateur side sent by FA in an african tour in 1910. And later at 1920.
    http://gottfriedfuchs.blogspot.com/search/label/South Africa


    As a personal note, South Africa arguably could form one of the most competitive non-british teams in the early years of football history.
    1890s: Top class (Eng/Sco). Average (Wal/Ire/SAF/Can/Den). Maybe USA+Arg
    1900s: Top class (Eng/Sco). Good (Wal/Den/SAF). Average (Ire/Can/Arg/Boh/Ned). Maybe Bel+Hun+USA
    1910s: Argentina, Boheme, Hungary and later Uruguay increased their competitive level, imho.
     
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  21. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Carlos Roa. Argentina's goalkeeper during France 1998, was a member of the Seventh Day Adventist. He retired in the summer of 1999 because he believed that the world would end very soon. It didn't. He unretired less than a year later.
     
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  22. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    In 1931, the Argentine club CA Lanús used eight different goalkeepers in their 34 first division matches:

    Capuano, Angel
    Massenet, Luis
    Fasce, Juan
    Salvia, José
    Sein, Antonio
    Urtueta, Carlos
    Bazet, Edmundo
    Lago, Alejandro

    The majority of them only played in one or two games.

    Has there ever been a club fielding more than eight different goalkeepers in one season?
     
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  23. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Ethiopia's first game at the 1994 WCQers was an away match against Morocco. they traveled to Morocco via Rome, where their best five players deflected. The squad ended up with 8 players to play the match. So they used the backup keeper, the assistant coach and a friend to play in that match. By half time, two players dropped out. Three more players dropped out early in the second half. The match was stopped with 6 Ethiopian players left on the field.
     
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  24. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    With the Jules Rimet in their bags, Uruguay take flight to home but the plane can't leave due to excess weight.
    Then, the imponent Obdulio Varela standing upfront of the passengers, saw one of the managers who though that Brazil will trash Uruguay.
    You, get off the plane!!! So the guy disembarking from the flight with his wife and little child.
     
  25. JohnvanEnckevort1

    JohnvanEnckevort1 New Member

    May 16, 2014
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    In the mid sixties, Yugoslav Zvezdan Cebinac played for Red Star Belgrade and wanted to play abroad to make a bit of money. His twin brother Srdjan had the same ambition. He looked very much like him, but Srdjan was clearly a lesser talented player, although he did play at the highest level in Yugoslavia (OFK Belgrade) and even made it into the national team once. So they both travelled to Germany in the summer of 1965, and Zvezdan had a trial training at 1.FC Köln, pretending to be Srdjan. The German club was very impressed and offered him a contract. The real Srdjan then only played three Bundesliga matches for 1. FC Köln, failing to make an impression.
     
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