The Curse of Dick Cheney

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  1. BlueMeanie

    BlueMeanie New Member

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    Heh. From Rolling Stone issue #957, September 16, 2004.

    Guess what? Everything Dick Cheney touches turns to shite.

    The Curse of Dick Cheney by T.D. Allman

    ...and more!

    (Oh, BTW, if people are going to link Fox News articles as "legit sources of info", why not link Rolling Stone, too? Fair's fair, and balanced is balanced.)


  2. Chicago1871

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    Interesting read.
  3. Chris M.

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    I really never associated "good karma" with Dick Cheney, but it is interesting to read all the failures he has been associated with.

    I never knew much about his educational background, but I always assumed it was pretty impressive as I have heard him described several times as an academic thinker who turned neo-con later in his career.

    This almost sounds like a sitcom -- From the ivy covered walls of Yale to Casper Community College. And talk about family values. Nothing like having a kid to get another deferment.
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    How much proof do we need to see that Dumbya isn't a leader at all, and that this administration is being run at the deputy level????

    Jaysus, I need a drink...


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    I thought you guys meant this curse...

    CHENEY RETURNS TO CAMP CRYSTAL LAKE
    CRYSTAL LAKE, NJ—Reports of a shadowy figure in the woods and heavy breathing heard in the night, coupled with a recent series of grisly murders, have generated rumors that U.S. Vice-President Dick Cheney has returned to terrorize the counselors at Camp Crystal Lake, sources reported Friday...
  6. IntheNet

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    Re: Vice President Cheney

    Liberal slime continues to slander our Vice President! Shows how low the Kerry campaign has fallen, which is knee-high to dead cockroach at this point! The liberals have no focus; they choose to slander!

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    Bush/Cheney in 2004
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    Re: Vice President Cheney

    You're welcome to him.

    Josh Marshall did something like this a while back for the Washington Monthly re: Cheney's incompetence. This was before - long before - Dick turned out to be the last guy on earth outside the Weekly Standard who thought Iraq had WMD.
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    Iraq has WMD...we haven't found them yet! Important clarification! Saddam used WMD at least twice in past...Let's use logic and not rely on MoveOn.org
    propaganda... the fact that WMD has not yet been found does not mean that Saddam did not have them, simply, they have not been found yet....since he used them before...they were hidden.

    Consider: it took us 10 months to find Saddam hiding in a hole in Iraq...it could take longer - much longer - to find WMD!

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  9. Caesar

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    Filler.
  10. BlueMeanie

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    Read the article. It's about how Cheney's a hateful, incompetent, self-serving buffoon, not the fruitless search for WMD in Iraq.

    And as much as you'd like to dismiss it, it's not moveon.org propaganda. It's from a journalistic site that's every bit as relevant (yet biased) as Fox News or the National Review.

    Typical response. You can't argue one solitary point of the article, so you dismiss it, change the subject, and attack the source.
  11. Karl K

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    I want all you guys who find this article "interesting" go to a logic textbook and look up the definition of a post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy.

    By the way, and as an example,George Bush the First lost the election because (1) the economy had tanked and (2) he violated his pledge of "read my lips." Cheyney's role as Secretary of Defense has zero connection the the loss.
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    I respect people who are supersticious and believe in curses, but the Rolling Stone article doesn't make sense. A supersticious person might believe, based on past experience, that VP Chenney will be bad karma for whoever appointed him to a cabinet post and is running for reelection. But technically George W. Bush would not be affected by such curse, because he never appointed Chenney to any post in his administration. What he did is chose him as his running mate, and it was the people who elected him as Vice President.

    (Although, maybe Rolling Stone is arguing cynically that it was the Supreme Court which appointed Chenney, rather than the people of America. But since Supreme Court justices are not running for reelection, they have nothing to worry about as far as the alleged curse is concerned.)
  13. Caesar

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    :rolleyes:

    I didn't equate 'interesting' to meaningful.
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    And you can back this statement up...what am I saying, of course you can.

    Neither did I. Hell, Mein Kampf was 'interesting.'
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    Please define slander and explain in what ways the RS article is slanderous.
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    Really?? I thought for sure I saw you rubbing your chin in a contemplative pose as you were reading it.

    Generally, I think it is safe to say that if something isn't meaningful, it really isn't interesting at all. It may, in fact, be a whole lot of mental masturbation.

    Mein Kampf isn't "interesting" -- it may be useful as an historical artifact and as a window, such as it is, to the psyche of the man, but interesting??

    Nope, not whit.
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    You wouldn't call a "window" into the psyche of a man like Adolf Hilter interesting? The ability to take a deeper look at a man who greatly influenced history, and was one of the greatest leaders and orators in history is pretty interesting in my book.
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    No, I wouldn't. Again, such things can be revealing but can be very uninteresting.

    That book doesn't provide a "deeper" look at all. It's a rant. You can read one of his speeches, and get the basic rant.

    "Greatest leaders?"....well, if you say so.
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    Keller is missing your point, I think, but in fairness, Mein Kampf is dull as dishwater.
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    Greatest leader in history? Are you on drugs? His "leadership" led to the utter destruction of Germany, the untold suffering of numerous nations, the decimation of polish, jewish, and numerous other peoples within Europe, and the involvement of the entire world in seven (7) years (more or less) of war and reconstruction. That is not leadership! As for oration and rhetoric, the Munich speeches where Hitler gave his best known "oration" were forced attendance affairs where crowds were rounded up and forced to attend. Regardless of what this criminal said, I don't consider a speech great if the audience lacks the chance to leave!

    Constrast this with Lincoln's "few remarks" at the consecration of the Gettysburg Cemetery in 1863 -- approximately 200 words -- which went on to be one of the world's best (certainly this nation's best) oration!

    Hitler a great leader? Man... Chicago1871... get your understanding of history in gear! Ronald Reagan will go down in history as ten times the leader (for this nation)! Internationally, I believe Michael Gorbachev will be known in history as a leader who first defended then -- through understanding -- ushered in the fall of Communism, for the USSR... He is certainly a far better "Leader" than the criminal you cited!

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    It's scary that it only takes such a small change...
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    I know the Gettysburg Address is regarded as one of the great speeches of history, but I would have thought MLK's "I Believe" is considered at least as good.
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    Bode's Law is considered one of the most interesting coincidences of astronomy, but for all intents and purposes it's utterly meaningless.
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    Nearly two pages and yet not one mention that the true "Curse of Dick Cheney" is the F-word.

    I'm starting to get disappointed in you people.
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    Re: Vice President Cheney

    So have we.

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