Thanks! Yes, this was the goal. I remember commentator talking about this in a thick Swabian accent, something to the tune of 'defense turning into a counter turning into a goal'. Unfortunately, my German is very poor and I couldn't comprehend it in totality. But nevertheless, it sounded good. The afro hairstyle and the green jersey of one of the Mexican players got me confused. I mistook them for Algeria.
In two parts, Germany vs. Sweden 1984. The famous "Uwe Rahn debut" game... Germany vs. Sweden Cologne, 17/10/1984, attendance: 61,000, referee: Valentine (Scotland), World Cup Qualifier Germany: 1 Schumacher - 2 Brehme, 5 Herget, 4 Kh.Förster, 3 Briegel - 6 Jakobs, 8 Matthäus, 10 Magath (75. Rahn), 7 Falkenmayer - 9 Völler, 11 Rummenigge Sweden: 1 T.Ravelli - 2 Erlandsson (33. Borg), 3 Hysen, 4 Dahlquist, 5 Frederiksson - 8 Eriksson, 7 Strömberg, 6 Tord Holmgren, 11 Tom Holmgren - 10 Corneliusson (70. Holmquist), 9 Gren
Germany v Malta Saarbrücken, 27/03/1985, attendance: 45,000 Referee: Tokat (Turkey), World Cup Qualifier Germany: 1 Schumacher - 2 Berthold, 5 Herget, 4 Kh.Förster, 3 Frontzeck - 8 Rahn (66. Thon), 6 Briegel (76. Brehme), 10 Magath - 7 Littbarski, 9 Völler, 11 K.H.Rummenigge Malta: Bonello - Woods, Holland, Buttigieg, A.Azopardi - Degiorgio, Vella, Busuttil, E.Farrugia (58. Aquilana) - L.Farrugia, Mizzi (82. R.Xuereb)
Sweden v Germany Stockholm, 25/09/1985, attendance: 39,157 Referee: van Longenhove (Belgium), World Cup Qualifier Sweden: 1 T. Ravelli - 2 Erlandsson, 3 Hysen, 4 Dahlquist, 5 Frederiksson - 8 A.Ravelli (89. M.Magnusson), 6 Prytz, 7 Strömberg, 11 Svensson (77. Holmquist) - 10 Corneliussion, 9 T.Nilsson Germany: 1 Schumacher - 2 Berthold, 5 Augenthaler, 4 Kh.Förster, 3 Brehme - 6 Jakobs, 10 Herget, 8 Briegel - 7 Littbarski, 9 Völler, 11 Rummenigge
Next up, the intense 1989 World Cup Qualifying game Holland vs. Germany at Rotterdam. Holland v Germany 26.04.1989 - World Cup Qualifier, Rotterdam (55,000) Holland: Hiele - R.Koeman - van Tiggelen, Rijkaard, van Aerle - E.Koeman, Vanenburg, Hofkens (84. Rutjes), Huistra (74. Eijkelkamp) - van Basten, Winter Germany: Illgner - Berthold - Kohler (74. Rolff), Buchwald - Reuter, Hässler, Matthäus, Möller, Brehme - Riedle, Völler (34. Klinsmann)
YouTube won't see me uploading any of the clips that led them to delete my original Gregoriak channel back then. Thus no Feyenoord vs Celtic 1970 or any ITV games featuring Germany in the '86 or '90 World Cups (as well as the 1982 European Cup final). Hence I feel pretty safe at the moment. (what will get deleted someday however will be the RetroFootballFootage Channel -> I'm surprised they still haven't because I'm giving no quarter to copyright owners there...).
That looks like a weak Dutch team. Were they missing a few players or was Beenhakker just being an idiot?
Wouldn't call them weak but several key players from the 1988 Euro final were missing. Gullit was injured, I don't know why Hans van Breukelen wasn't in goal. Also Jan Wouters and Arnold Muhren were missing (I guess Muhren had retired at that point). In their place Hiele, Winter, Hofkens and Huistra played.
Once ARD and/or ZDF find those clips, they will demand everything to be removed. I'm expecting it any day.
still, they seemed like they dominated. I can't believe a midfield of matthaeus, moeller and haessler were on the defensive so much
One name: Andi Möller. Stank up the place as usual. There was a reason he sat on the bench during Italia 90. Seriously, that Holland side was no team to be pushed around, even if not full strength, plus they not only played at home, but in Rotterdam, in front of one the most ferocious groups of spectators in European football, and finally, they were a goal down for most of the second half so naturally had to attack.
I am not sure this is the thread to discuss this, but here goes anyways. Why do you hold Rotterdam in such high esteem, as though its the last bastion that German football hasn't been able to storm? If I recollect right, in August 05, a depleted German side, came from two goals down to tie a game with a full strength Dutch team, with Ballack scoring twice.( remember, those days the Dutch were a top 3 ranked team , and Germany languished in the 15-25 ranks because it didn't have qualifiers to play). Also, I think Germany's last victory over the Dutch in 1996, came in a friendly in Rotterdam. Its hardly a nightmare venue for Germany. The record in Florence or Sofia could be worse.
GERMANY v SWEDEN 4th November 1964, World Cup Qualifier, Berlin, attendance: 74,000, referee: Dienst (Switzerland) Germany 1 Tilkowski - 2 Nowak, 5 Giesemann, 6 Weber, 3 Schnellinger - 4 Szymaniak, 10 Overath - 7 Brunnenmeier, 8 Haller, 9 Seeler, 11 G.Dörfel Sweden Arvidsson - Rosander, Bergmark, Jonsson, Wing - Simonsson, Mild - Andersson, Martinsson, Hamrin, Lindskog
Those two games you mentioned had no meaning. The stadium wasn't even half-filled in 1996 as I remember. Had these been qualification games, it would have been a different story. My judgment of de Kuip in Rotterdam is based on games I've seen played there either by Feyenoord (e.g. vs. AC Milan in 1969) or by Holland (1974 Euro qualifier vs. Italy). The crowd was tremendous in those games. You could check the Holland forum and ask them what they think historically was/is the finest crowd in Holland. Even staunch Feyenoord haters will acknowledge that. Sofia?
Highlights from Günter Netzer's first international game. Also of interest is - starting 2:15 in the second clip - commentator Rudi Michel's remarks on Germany switching from zonal defense to man-marking during the second half. Considering that influential coaches like Ralf Rangnick these days seriously claim that zonal defense was not practised in Germany until the mid-1990s when Volker Finke 'introduced' it successfully at SC Freiburg. One of the most ridiculous claims ever made within the German football media. GERMANY 4-1 AUSTRIA 9th October 1965, friendly, Stuttgart Attendance: 74,000, referee: Dienst (Switzerland) GERMANY 1 Tilkowski - 2 Höttges, 5 Sieloff, 6 Weber, 3 Lorenz - 4 Beckenbauer, 10 Netzer - 7 Nafziger, 8 Ulsass, 9 Brunnenmeier, 11 Krämer AUSTRIA 1 Fraydl - 2 Pumm, 3 Binder, 4 Ludescher, 5 Frank - 9 Hasil, 6 Ullmann - 7 Hirnschrodt (24. Viehböck, 78. Köglberger), 8 Buzek, 10 Flögel, 11 Macek
Jürgen Grabowski's magnificent goal against Sepp Maier & Bayern Munich from November 1975 (Eintracht Frankfurt 6-0 Bayern).
Germany's third victory at Wembley: ENGLAND v GERMANY London, Wembley stadium 11 September 1991, attendance: 59,453 Referee: Spirin (Soviet Union) International friendly ENGLAND 1 Woods - 2 Dixon, 5 Pallister, 6 Parker, 3 Dorigo - 4 Batty, 7 Platt, 8 Steven (67. Stuart) - 9 A.Smith, 10 Lineker, 11 Salako (67. Merson) GERMANY 1 Illgner - 5 Effenberg, 2 Binz, 4 Kohler, 3 Brehme - 6 Buchwald, 8 Hässler, 10 Matthäus, 7 Möller - 9 Riedle, 11 Doll (81. Klinsmann)
In order to confuse the English. As we see, it worked perfectly! Btw: 9 players of that German team are Italians. )
Only Illgner, Binz and Buchwald didn't play in Italy. Guido wouldn't have been too bad if he did decide to play in the Serie A or if anyone was interested at the time.
GERMANY 6-1 FINLAND Dortmund, Westfalenstadion, 04/10/1989 World Cup Qualifier, attendance: 40,000 Referee: Snoddy (Northern Ireland) GERMANY 1 Illgner - 2 Reuter, 5 Augenthaler, 4 Buchwald, 3 Brehme - 6 Hässler (46. Bein), 7 Littbarski, 10 Matthäus, 8 Möller (80. Mill) - 9 Völler, 11 Klinsmann FINLAND 1 Laukkanen - 2 Lahtinen, 4 Europaeus, 3 Heikkinen, 5 Holmgren - 8 Ikalainen (71. Hjelm), 9 Myyry, 7 Ukkonen, 6 Tarkkio - 11 Lipponen, 10 Paatelainen (62. Lius)