The other post reached 100 pages so here's the new one let's start by Neymar: Barcelona has a 90 percent chance of signing Neymar, says Roberto Carlos http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/69/t...ercent-chance-of-signing-neymar-says-roberto- Bale: Real ready to offer Modric plus £30m in bid to persuade Spurs to part ways with Bale http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-offer-Luka-Modric-30million-Gareth-Bale.html lol dailymail is like your ex jealous pregnant gf! XD
haha i know! i was trying to make something meaningful but funny, guess the two don't mix that well XP
Modric and 30 million, so we basically they have us paying something like 60+ million for Bale? Im definitely on the Bale bandwagon but any more than 40 million and I just don't think hes worth it, considering we may have higher priorities, such as center mid or striker if we deem ours incapable, which it seems many have. I'd go for a permanent move for Essien for that CM spot, Carvajal, swap Benz or Pipa for Cavani, and possibly Bale if it works financially. I would imagine Kaka will have to leave for that to work, though I'm sure no one will really miss him here.
I like Bale but he would be competing with Ozil, and Di Maria as the best one legged player in our squad... I don't think we need him, and its best for him to either stay at Tottenham or take over for Giggs at Manchester United. Even though I am not a fan of the Cantera, I still do believe it can produce good squad players to fill in for Di Maria when necessary. A right back, and a striker should be our priority. Given Essein is leaving maybe we should consider a Central Midfielder. If both Carvalho and Albiol leave then we should buy a Central Defender. With the Rooney meltdown, and our strikers bad form the press will soon have him linked to us. Falcoa form as of late has also been below expectations.
I don't think we need a central defender when Albiol and Carvalho are gone, since Sergio, Varane, Pepe and even Nacho are left. Nacho is originally a CB. We don't need Bale either. A striker should be our first transfer. Don't know what we should do with Pipita, but if he continues his weak play in the league, we should sell him and Benz to get a new one. Morata would be a good 2nd striker This should do the trick next season: CR7 - x - Di Maria/Jese
Bale has been sensational lately, but he remains too similar to Ronaldo IMO. I don't know if the two of them in the same team would work. I still think we should focus our transfer budget on other positions (CF, RB, CM) and promote Jese to the first team next season.
So, who would you suggest for CF, RB and CM? Falcao is Chelsea bound, which is pity. It is hard to find an intelligent, quality CM. Especially if Alonso is not going to renew his contract. He will have to be sold in summer.......
Hmm just realised his contract is up next year.. would've thought he would renewed by now seeing as how important he is to the team. Maybe he will leave.
Everybody by now has probably either read, heard about or saw the movie Money Ball. The basic idea of it is from economic theory, or much less understood but an even more apt analogy, trading/investing. It's about understanding that when analyzing an investment/trade there are 2 sides to the analysis, the assets and the cost. It's the ratio that is important, how much worth per dollar spent. So, if you follow everyone else, you will never make good investments. If you're a contrarian, you're much closer to the mark. What the F does this have to do with Madrid and transfers? If Madrid wants to make the right choices, they have to think outside of the box. If you work outside of the box, you are by definition a contrarian investor/trader and are concentrating on a high worth/cost ratio, since there is no demand to increase the cost. That brings us to our situation: BAle = quite possible the worst investment possible. First off, his price is outrageous because he is looked at as a genuine star by everyone. The demand for him is very high, and so the worth/cost ratio is not good. Secondly, he is a poor man's Ronaldo. Ronaldo is so freakin good that even a poor mans version, Bale, is an incredible player. But they are the very same player, with the exception that Bale has 1 foot and is no where near Ronaldo, and with Ronaldo you simply can't tell which foot is stronger. But their style is the same, and their attitude is the same. Bale and Ronaldo play ZERO defense, they do not fight for the ball at all and shy away from contact (both teams should say thank god, because we want Ronaldo playing every game), not to mention their lack of hustle (not heart). I can't see how Bale/Ronaldo play on the pitch at the same time. Neymar --not a very good worth/cost ratio either. With him though, an individual i see as the 3rd best player in the world, especially at such a tender age, that even though the cost would be outrageous --i believe 100m dollars is not out of the question --he is such a generational talent that despite it not being a good value i would still make the purchase. Cavani/Falcao/etc Not unless one of Benz/HIg is sold. Higuain is the player who needs to be sold. With Benz, the problem is that he has gotten fat and has been off his game. With Hig, the problem is that he simply does not have the talent to play on a top 3 worldwide team. He is simply not good enough. There is a much higher chance that Benz turns this around versus Higuain, since it is impossible for HIguain to turn it around. It would be like thinking i could play for Madrid since i have so much heart. The talent is simply not there. Benz, although unlikely, could throw away his fork and concentrate on football. That said, the worth/cost for CAvani/Falcoa would not be very high either. It's not thinking outside of the box. What is thinking outside the box? Players no one else is talking about as a premier player. This includes youngsters like Varane, or home grown players like Carvahal/Morata. But making a score here is tough. Secondly, players who are in special circumstances which affect the cost side of the equation. Ozil is the best example i know of. This is a 50m player which was purchased for 10m, due to his contract. Nasri is another example. Now comes to the players that i think are premier players but no one else does. Michu is a prime example, although not my best player in this section. He is Spanish has played in LaLiga and without doubt would love to play for a large Spanish team. This is a player with the 3rd most goals in the EPL. But my absolute FAVORITE player in this area is someone no one else is thinking about, the current striker for Fullham and old MAN United striker, Berbatov --he is absolutely PERFECT for us. We could keep both HIguain/Benz and bring this guy in. He has a few years left at the top level, perfect because he would come cheap. I actually think this guy oozes class and no one else sees it because he failed at United. He would be absolutely PERFECT for our team. he is exactly the striker this team could use. His passing and hold up play is second to no striker, his ability to score is off the charts --absolutely think this guy would be perfect. Sorry for repeating perfect and absolutely so many times, but it's worth it when you take into consideration Berbatov's worth versus what he would cost and how he would fit on this tea.m
RB - Buying back Carvajal is a no-brainer. Ramos could be another option with Pepe - Varane at CB if Dani does not meet expectations. Arbeloa can stay as a reserve for RB and LB, but he should definitely not be first choice. CF - Get rid of one of Benzema and Higuain. I'm leaning towards Benzema atm. Maybe PSG could be tempted? Get one of Falcao, Cavani or Suarez. Consider loaning Morata to a La Liga team. He's clearly talented, but won't get enough playing time here. CM - Xabi will be very difficult to replace. I think he still has at least one more good season in him if he gets rested enough, but we need to start looking for a successor. Benat could be an option. Alex should be loaned out to a La Liga side to gain experience and prove himself. Corinthians' Paulinho is an interesting player, but he's more of a box-to-box type. I also like Shaktar's Fernandinho. I'd also part ways with Kaka to make some space on the wage bill. Jese would get his minutes. Obviously we also need to extend Ronaldo's contract.
I also think Benzema will be gone. I have mixed feelings about Higuain. He is still a fan favorite. If he starts scoring again, people would forget everyone instantly. He is not from the Cantera, but Hierro, Ramos, Juanito, Manuel Sanchís Martinez(father), Di Stefano etc also did not come from the Cantera. I am more forgiving toward Higuain.
@plyka, good assessment but I think you've overlooked a central premise. It's not about utility or maximizing value, it's about which player can produce the most. Even if someone like Lamela or Michu was acquired at a decent value, his performance may still not be enough for Real Madrid quality. And at the end of the day, what we're looking at here isn't a simple free market. We are buying long-term luxury investments, the worth of which may not be solely limited to money-for-value logic. While someone may perform well for his relative cost, he may not ever be a superstar. If you are among the top 3 richest people in the world and you need to buy cars (or cell phones or whatever consumer items), you don't buy a Lexus IS250 or Infiniti G37 even though they are nice and worth the money, you go and buy that Maserati or Bugatti because it's the best in the world. While that Lexus or Infiniti (or Toyota Camry lol) may be excellent for a middle class consumer, their constraints are vastly different than ours.
Jose is gaining some 'Kilo's http://www.defensacentral.com/la_fa...00-euros-en-agosto-2-millones-de-euros-ahora/
No doubt what you say is true, but then your cost/benefit analysis simply needs to move up the scale. There can be overpriced and underpriced players of the same talent/skill/ability. A mistake is assuming that price = talent, which is simply not the case, although in a free market of enough breadth it would be incredibly close. In the free market there is homogeneity and recurrence on a wide scale, we are talking about transaction after transaction with millions of participants, depending on the market. The market has a chance to calibrate sufficiently. In the transfer market, it is still a free market, but there are inefficiencies due to the reality that every player is different and there is only 1 of each player. So of course you're right to a certain extent, if we take my worth/cost ratio it would be infinite (not really, but close) since i may have the talent of an average high school player, but i would come for free with zero wages (low cost). Of course no team would take me, since my talent level is not on the scale to be considered. I'm talking about players of equal or similar talent/ability. Berbatov is a prime example. The guy is class, you can tell by watching him play. He is surrounded by absolute worthless players, but still gives his team a chance. A player like him would come under 10m (guess) and it would fit our situation nicely since Higuain/Benz are already here and there would be no reason to sell any of them. Michu was purchased last year for 2m, so again we see a player that is 10m or less (guess). Again, no reason to sell Benz/Hig. These two players are incredibly talented in my opinion, not on Falcoa's level perhaps, but they are up there with all strikers available for purchase with exception to Falcao. It's the perception that values these 2 so differently than a Cavani for instance. Group think has a big effect in my opinion, which is why no one will agree with me that Michu/Berbatov are premier strikers.
I think you might be missing Chinky's point here slightly, and it might be because you want to fit everything into that neat little Money Ball theory What you're suggesting might be a great deal for a club that lives from year-to-year on its finances like Arsenal, but not for us. For example, who would you trust more to score a hat-trick in a European cup final, Falcao or Michu? Who would you expect to be a Real Madrid icon more, and expand our brand loyalty more in say South America and sell more tshirts and sponsorship deals? Falcao or Michu? Like Chinky said, we are dealing on a completely different level than 'cost vs goals scored'. To illustrate, Pellegrini got our team 97 points in the league as well, but it took a Mourinho for us to truly become a European power again. Coming back to what you were saying...the problem is, currently there IS a need to sell Benzema/Higuain because their form has been horrible, and we need a more prolific striker. We can't live with a strikeforce that earns its money 'dragging defenders away', lol.
Thanks @madridismo for clarifying. What matters at the end is not how many goals Michu generates as a relative figure from his transfer fee, but how many goals he can score in a CL QF/Semi/Final. The cost-benefit equation holds purpose but only if we are not aiming to be the best. If we were Getafe, then by all means you've reached the ideal solution, but we are willing to pay almost anything to get the best player (in our assessment at least). If a space shuttle could get us 2 goals every CL game, we would work to buy that rather than getting a striker worth every penny who MIGHT score in that CL final when you're down to 10 men. I hope that makes sense.
A Ferrari will get you girls.... period. A Lexus will also do, but some girls think it is a Toyota. It's the ame way for sport too. Professional sport isn't just about winning. Buying and selling of a player has also to do with marketing and publicity in the modern era. If we buy Falcao for 60 million, it would create excitement. The signing is sexy. It will fire up the fans and the players too. I might not get Falcao shirt, but I might buy a Real Madrid keychain or even a Marcelo shirt. How many of us were disappointed last summer when only Modric and Essien arrived? I probably said that it was a good move. Perez did the right thing.... the team.... no more galaticos.... "I am not a dumb fan"..... bah, bah, bah. In my heart, I thought Perez might have lost his ambition. Modric and Essien did not give the fans and team a psychological booast.
