The best players of the season 1984-5

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by comme, Nov 24, 2012.

  1. comme

    comme Moderator Staff Member

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    This is my first draft for 1984-5. Please let me know your thoughts.
    Goalkeepers
    Neville Southall (Everton and Wales)
    Peter Shilton (Southampton and England)
    Urruti (Barcelona and Spain)
    Uli Stein (Hamburg and West Germany)
    Harald Schumacher (FC Koln and West Germany)
    Claudio Garella (Hellas Verona and Italy)
    Theo Snelders (FC Twente and Netherlands)
    Juan Carlos Ablanedo (Sporting Gijon and Spain)
    Andoni Zubizaretta (Athletic Bilbao and Spain)
    Rinat Dasaev (Spartak Moscow and Soviet Union)
    Jim Leighton (Aberdeen and Scotland)

    Full-backs
    Hans-Peter Briegel (Hellas Verona and West Germany)
    Gary Stevens (Everton and England)
    Kenny Sansom (Arsenal and England)
    Junior (Torino and Brazil)
    Patrick Battiston (Bordeaux and France)
    Julio Alberto (Barcelona and Spain)
    Antonio Cabrini (Juventus and Italy)
    Andreas Brehme (Kaiserslautern and West Germany)
    Moreno Mannini (Sampdoria and Italy)
    Phil Neal (Liverpool and England)
    Anatoliy Demianenko (Dynamo Kiev and Soviet Union)
    Rafael Gordillo (Real Betis and Spain)
    Joao Pinto (Porto and Portugal)
    Bernard Dietz (Schalke and West Germany)
    Hans Pflugler (Bayern Munich and West Germany)
    Augusto Inacio (Porto and Portugal)

    Centre-backs
    Kevin Ratcliffe (Everton and Wales)
    Migueli (Barcelona and Spain)
    Frank Rijkaard (Ajax and Netherlands)
    Alan Hansen (Liverpool and Scotland)
    Mark Lawrenson (Liverpool and Republic of Ireland)
    Matthias Herget (Bayer Uerdingen and West Germany)
    Karlheinz Forster (Stuttgart and West Germany)
    Bruno Pezzey (Werder Bremen and Austria)
    Roberto Tricella (Hellas Verona and Italy)
    Pietro Vierchowod (Sampdoria and Italy)
    Gaetano Scirea (Juventus and Italy)
    Hans-Jurgen Dorner (Dynamo Dresden and East Germany)
    Antonio Maceda (Sporting Gijon and Spain)
    Oleg Kuznetsov (Dynamo Kiev and Soviet Union)
    Willie Miller (Aberdeen and Scotland)
    Sergei Baltacha (Dynamo Kiev and Soviet Union)
    Georgi Dimitrov(CSKA Sofia and Bulgaria)
    Morten Olsen (Anderlecht and Denmark)
    Georges Grun (Anderlecht and Belgium)

    Central midfielders
    Peter Reid (Everton and England)
    Ray Wilkins (AC Milan and England)
    Graeme Souness (Sampdoria and Scotland)
    Uli Stielike (Real Madrid and West Germany)
    Jean Tigana (Bordeaux and France)
    Lothar Matthaus (Bayern Munich and West Germany)
    Soren Lerby (Bayern Munich and Denmark)
    Olaf Thon (Schalke and West Germany)
    Fernando De Napoli (Avellino and Italy)
    Marco Tardelli (Juventus and Italy)
    Bryan Robson (Manchester United and England)
    Luis Fernandez (Paris Saint-Germain and France)
    Carlos Manuel (Benfica and Portugal)


    Attacking midfielders
    Michel Platini (Juventus and France)
    Diego Maradona (Napoli and Argentina)
    Bernd Schuster (Barcelona and West Germany)
    Alain Giresse (Bordeaux and France)
    Karl Allogower (Stuttgart and West Germany)
    Gianfranco Matteoli (Como and Italy)
    Glenn Hoddle (Tottenham Hotspur and England)
    Gheorghe Hagi (Sportul Studentesc and Romania)
    Herbert Prohaska (Austria Vienna and Austria)
    Fyodor Cherenkov (Spartak Moscow and Soviet Union)
    Antonio di Gennaro (Hellas Verona and Italy)
    Alexander Zavarov (Dynamo Kiev and Soviet Union)
    Philippe Desmet (KSV Waregem and Belgium)

    Wingers
    Pierre Littbarski (Koln and West Germany)
    Chris Waddle (Newcastle United and England)
    Pietro Fanna (Hellas Verona and Italy)
    Kevin Sheedy (Everton and Republic of Ireland)
    Trevor Steven (Everton and England)
    Gerald Vanenburg (Ajax and Netherlands)
    Quique Setien (Racing Santander and Spain)
    John Barnes (Watford and England)

    Forwards
    Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (Internazionale and West Germany)
    Jan Ceulemans (Club Brugges and Belgium)
    Mark Hughes (Manchester United and Wales)
    Lajos Detari (Honved and Hungary)
    Tibor Nyilasi (Austria Vienna and Hungary)
    Steve Archibald (Barcelona and Scotland)
    Oleg Blokhin (Dynamo Kiev and Soviet Union)
    Igor Belanov (Dynamo Kiev and Soviet Union)
    Emilio Butragueno (Real Madrid and Spain)
    Peter Beardsley (Newcastle United and England)

    Strikers
    Marco Van Basten (Ajax and Netherlands)
    Gary Lineker (Leicester and England)
    Hugo Sanchez (Atletico Madrid and Mexico)
    Rudi Völler (Werder Bremen and West Germany)
    Preben Elkjaer-Larsen (Hellas Verona and Denmark)
    Andy Gray (Everton and Scotland)
    Kerry Dixon (Chelsea and England)
    Oleg Protasov (Dnipro Dniproprotovsk and Soviet Union)
    Vahid Halihodzic (Nantes and Yugoslavia)
    Bernard Lacombe (Bordeaux and France)
    Klaus Allofs (FC Koln and West Germany)
    Graeme Sharp (Everton and Scotland)
    Fernando Gomes (Porto and Portugal)
    Toni Polster (Austria Vienna and Austria)


  2. schwuppe

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    Is including Tibor Nyilasi intended? I thought you'd include him in the 83/84 list and Polster/Detari in this one.
  3. PuckVanHeel

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    Altobelli...

    That was also the guy who was seen as better by Van Basten in 1985.

    He himself said early 1986 in more elaborate fashion:

    However, after 1986WC he became convinced that he was the best striker of his generation. Which he also expressed after Belanov, Butragueno, Lineker and Elkjaer appeared ahead of him in the 1986 Ballon d'Or list. He wasn't arguing with it but he literally said "I don't think I'm worse than those guys, I posses a more varied set of attributes."

    In any event, I think Altobelli should be included and I think too that Elkjaer was more of a forward. He should be the number one forward for this season IMO.
    Briegel was often playing in midfield for Verona as well.
  4. PuckVanHeel

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    Other suggestions for striker category:

    Garry Bannister
    Paolo Rossi

    Also thought about Nilsson but he scored almost all his goals against a Luxembourg club.


  5. PuckVanHeel

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    I see now that rsssf made a mistake with designating Bannister as topscorer for 1984-85 UEFA Cup season. UEFA website is correct that it was the Hungarian Szabo (who reached the final after all):​
    And yes, that seems to be a correct list.​
    This one also seems to be correct:​
    edit: a bit strange too that these seasons have a scarcity in the striker and forward category. In contrast with the 90s which had many famous and high-profile strikers.​
  6. PuckVanHeel

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    Best paid players in each league according to Corriere dello Sport, July 1985 (isn't on the internet):

    Salary is approximate number and I recalculated it to the euro currency.

    Falcao 2.5 million euro
    Maradona 1.3 million
    Rummenigge 790000
    Socrates 682000
    Giordano 682000
    P. Rossi 636000
    Altobelli 658000
    Fanna 658000
    Platini 545000
    Bagni 545000

    Following four played in Spain:
    Schuster 470000
    Gordillo 470000
    Valdano 409000
    Sanchez 397000

    Best paid players Bundesliga were:
    1. Völler 363000
    2. Lerby 340900
    3. Matthaus 329900

    Best paid player in France was Giresse but French players had as benefit that they benefited relatively more from other revenue streams.

    Best paid players in England were apparently Jesper Olsen (at #1) and Bryan Robson at number 2. This ranking surprised me a bit. Is this possibly true???


    Anyhow, it doesn't say a big deal for their season but it says of course a bit about how they were valued - arguably Platini was a fair bit undervalued!

    EDIT: typo corrected.
  7. msioux75

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    I support you.
    Also Junior would fit better CM category that season playing for Torino.
  8. comme

    comme Moderator Staff Member

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    I definitely agree with Altobelli. Nyilasi I'm not 100% on. Had a decent season but whether it was enough for inclusion or not I'm not sure.

    Happy to adjust he positioning for Briegel, Junior and Elkjaer.
  9. babaorum

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    Any particular reason for not picking Amoros and Bats ?
    Also, sorry for saying it again but José Touré should probably be in the forward list. He was the on-form player in the Nantes team as well as in the French NT. A quick look at the intercontinental cup game vs Uruguay suggests it for example.
    comme repped this.
  10. PuckVanHeel

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    I can concur that someone like Amoros certainly received a lot more hoopla than many of the side-backs in this list like Pflugler, Dietz, Gordillo and maybe also Neal.

    And those played in a league with a bigger profile . In case of Pflugler and Dietz it is also a factor that they did not receive an IC rating by kicker.

    Amoros had a contract until 1990 at Monaco and was unable to move. He gambled to sign a long term contract before euro84 and lost.
    Luckily, he proved himself at the tournaments.

    What is the reason for including Battiston that high by the way? This is not criticism but just a question.
  11. babaorum

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    He won the French league with Bordeaux that year and reached the CL semi-final, and he was indeed quite good. This said, Comme should have picked him in his centre-back list I think, as that was his usual position in 1984-85, after Marius Tresor retired.
  12. PuckVanHeel

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    Yes, OK I see. Club successes isn't always a criteria though like in the 1982-83 season when Anderlecht won the UEFA Cup and nobody of their team was rated as IC or higher. But comme has said that the ratings are sketchy.
    I believe you that he reached a fine level.
  13. PuckVanHeel

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    You do overall a good job by the way. I know it is hard because the talent was spread more around Europe with club sides from various nations making an impact in competitions. Some nations like Portugal, USSR or Yugoslavia are hard to get a grip on while they had certainly all great players who generally also performed well at the highest stages - which speaks for them.

    Similarly, if someone like Chalana had not performed well at euro84 the outside world had probably never heard of him (even though Benfica was successful in Europe). The opposite example is the Yugoslavian player Bazdarevic.
  14. PuckVanHeel

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    Maybe also good to mention which classic games people have seen and how it steered perceptions of the players mentioned here.

    I've seen the classic Inter-Cologne and Inter-Real Madrid ties. What about the others? Also saw Everton-Bayern and the semi-final plus final of the European Cup.
  15. comme

    comme Moderator Staff Member

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    Cheers. I just went through yesterday all the appearance information for the first 5 years (1980-1 to 1984-5) that I had drafted. Now I'm going to go back through the lists and revise them.
  16. PuckVanHeel

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    I went through the list of the games I've seen and I realized another complicating factor: you tend to see the games you heard from hearsay so in a sense rankings like this become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
    Plus you base it on a few games. The aforementioned Chalana did not play well in the second leg of the UEFA Cup 1983 final (the one that has surfaced; the first leg wasn't televised live!) because he played with cramp in the second half, for example. If it was not for his euro84 exploits, then most had overlooked him in a sense.

    [I wonder how Iniesta would have been rated under these conditions. Probably a lot higher because of his decisive big game actions; assists + goals in advanced stages of the various tournaments.]

    Luckily, sometimes some evidence exist. I saw Gudelj was also listed in one of the seasons; he was before euro84 the main coming star of Yugoslavia, ahead of Stojkovic even. He was the one highlighted in particular of the 'young' guys (23 years old at that time). Gudelj was a few years voted as footballer of the year in Yugoslavia and interestingly, at the 1979YWC he was behind the South-Americans Maradona and Rojo the highest rated European player in the tournament. It gives a good impression of his qualities. Unfortunately, not a lot of full European games have surfaced I think (though the Tottenham-Hajduk ties exist in full length) but some footage does exist on youtube I see.


    I know it is just a compilation but it gives an impression.
  17. comme

    comme Moderator Staff Member

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    Here is an attempt at a revised list:

    Goalkeepers
    Neville Southall (Everton and Wales) 42 games, 0 goals ***
    Peter Shilton (Southampton and England) 41 games, 0 goals **
    Urruti (Barcelona and Spain) 33 games, 0 goals **
    Uli Stein (Hamburg and West Germany) 33 games, 0 goals **
    Harald Schumacher (FC Koln and West Germany) 34 games, 0 goals **
    Rinat Dasaev (Spartak Moscow and Soviet Union) 34 games, 0 goals in 1984, 34 games, 0 goals in 1985 **
    Claudio Garella (Hellas Verona and Italy) 30 games, 0 goals *
    Theo Snelders (FC Twente and Netherlands) 34 games, 0 goals *
    Juan Carlos Ablanedo (Sporting Gijon and Spain) 33 games, 0 goals *
    Andoni Zubizarreta (Athletic Bilbao and Spain) 33 games, 0 goals *
    Jim Leighton (Aberdeen and Scotland) 34 games, 0 goals *
    Walter Zenga (Internazionale and Italy) 25 games, 0 goals *
    Joel Bats (Auxerre and France) 38 games, 0 goals *

    Full-backs
    Julio Alberto (Barcelona and Spain) 32 games, 1 goal **
    Anatoliy Demianenko (Dynamo Kiev and Soviet Union) 33 games, 2 goals, 34 games, 8 goals in 1985 **
    Andreas Brehme (Kaiserslautern and West Germany) 33 games, 11 goals *
    Moreno Mannini (Sampdoria and Italy) 24 games, 0 goals *
    Phil Neal (Liverpool and England) 42 games, 4 goals *
    Antonio Cabrini (Juventus and Italy) 30 games, 0 goals *
    Rafael Gordillo (Real Betis and Spain) 29 games, 0 goals *
    Gary Stevens (Everton and England) 27 games 1 goal
    Joao Pinto (Porto and Portugal) 30 games, 0 goals *
    Bernard Dietz (Schalke and West Germany) 32 games, 3 goals *
    Augusto Inacio (Porto and Portugal) 30 games, 1 goal *
    Kenny Sansom (Arsenal and England) 39 games, 1 goal *

    Stoppers
    Kevin Ratcliffe (Everton and Wales) 38 games, 0 goals ***
    Migueli (Barcelona and Spain) 32 games, 4 goals ***
    Frank Rijkaard (Ajax and Netherlands) 34 games, 7 goals **
    Karlheinz Forster (Stuttgart and West Germany) 29 games, 2 goals **
    Pietro Vierchowod (Sampdoria and Italy) 29 games, 2 goals **
    Willie Miller (Aberdeen and Scotland) 35 games, 3 goals*
    Sergei Baltacha (Dynamo Kiev and Soviet Union) 31 games, 0 goals in 1984, 26 games, 1 goal in 1985
    Georgi Dimitrov (CSKA Sofia and Bulgaria) 24 games, 4 goals *
    Georges Grun (Anderlecht and Belgium) 30 games, 4 goals *
    Klaus Augenthaler (Bayern Munich and West Germany) 32 games, 5 goals *

    Sweepers
    Matthias Herget (Bayer Uerdingen and West Germany) 31 games, 5 goals **
    Bruno Pezzey (Werder Bremen and Austria) 33 games, 6 goals **
    Roberto Tricella (Hellas Verona and Italy) 30 games, 0 goals **
    Patrick Battiston (Bordeaux and France) 33 games, 6 goals **
    Gaetano Scirea (Juventus and Italy) 30 games, 2 goals **
    Hans-Jurgen Dorner (Dynamo Dresden and East Germany) 26 games, 4 goals *
    Antonio Maceda (Sporting Gijon and Spain) 31 games, 4 goals *
    Alan Hansen (Liverpool and Scotland) 41 games, 0 goals *
    Oleg Kuznetsov (Dynamo Kiev and Soviet Union) 15 games, 2 goals in 1984, 29 games, 1 goal in 1985 *
    Morten Olsen (Anderlecht and Denmark) 33 games, 0 goals *
    Mark Lawrenson (Liverpool and Republic of Ireland) 33 games, 1 goal *
    Central midfielders
    Peter Reid (Everton and England) 35 games, 2 goals ***
    Hans-Peter Briegel (Hellas Verona and West Germany) 27 games, 9 goals ***
    Luis Fernandez (Paris Saint-Germain and France) 30 games, 6 goals **
    Lothar Matthaus (Bayern Munich and West Germany) 33 games, 16 goals **
    Soren Lerby (Bayern Munich and Denmark) 28 games, 11 goals **
    Junior (Torino and Brazil) 26 games, 7 goals **
    Jean Tigana (Bordeaux and France) 28 games, 3 goals **
    Bryan Robson (Manchester United and England) 33 games, 9 goals **
    Graeme Souness (Sampdoria and Scotland) 28 games, 5 goals *
    Olaf Thon (Schalke and West Germany) 34 games, 10 goals *
    Fernando De Napoli (Avellino and Italy) 26 games, 1 goal *
    Ray Wilkins (AC Milan and England) 28 games, 0 goals *
    Marco Tardelli (Juventus and Italy) 28 games, 2 goals *
    Uli Stielike (Real Madrid and West Germany) 25 games, 0 goals
    Carlos Manuel (Benfica and Portugal) 28 games, 8 goals *


    Attacking midfielders
    Michel Platini (Juventus and France) 30 games, 18 goals ***
    Diego Maradona (Napoli and Argentina) 30 games, 14 goals ***
    Bernd Schuster (Barcelona and West Germany) 32 games, 11 goals ***
    Alain Giresse (Bordeaux and France) 36 games, 11 goals **
    Karl Allgower (Stuttgart and West Germany) 32 games, 19 goals **
    Glenn Hoddle (Tottenham Hotspur and England) 30 games, 8 goals *
    Gheorghe Hagi (Sportul Studentesc and Romania) 30 games, 20 goals *
    Fyodor Cherenkov (Spartak Moscow and Soviet Union) 25 games, 8 goals in 1984, 33 games, 13 goals in 1985 *
    Antonio di Gennaro (Hellas Verona and Italy) 29 games, 4 goals *
    Alexander Zavarov (Dynamo Kiev and Soviet Union) 24 games, 6 goals in 1984, 31 games, 9 goals in 1985 *
    Philippe Desmet (KSV Waregem and Belgium) 29 games, 12 goals *
    John Wark (Liverpool and Scotland) 40 games, 18 goals *
    Gianfranco Matteoli (Como and Italy) 30 games, 2 goals *
    Enzo Scifo (Anderlecht and Belgium) 30 games, 14 goals *
    Safet Susic (PSG and Yugoslavia) 34 games, 10 goals *
    Herbert Prohaska (Austria Vienna and Austria) 30 games, 11 goals *


    Wingers
    Pierre Littbarski (Koln and West Germany) 28 games, 16 goals ***
    Bernard Genghini (Monaco and France) 34 games, 15 goals **
    Pietro Fanna (Hellas Verona and Italy) 29 games, 2 goals **
    Zbigniew Boniek (Juventus and Poland) 26 games, 5 goals **
    Kevin Sheedy (Everton and Republic of Ireland) 28 games, 4 goals *
    Gerald Vanenburg (Ajax and Netherlands) 29 games, 12 goals *
    Chris Waddle (Newcastle United and England) 36 games, 13 goals *
    Quique Setien (Racing Santander and Spain) 33 games, 7 goals *
    John Barnes (Watford and England) 40 games, 12 goals *
    Trevor Steven (Everton and England) 27 games, 1 goal *
    Forwards
    Preben Elkjaer-Larsen (Hellas Verona and Denmark) 23 games, 8 goals ***
    Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (Internazionale and West Germany) 26 games, 8 goals *
    Jan Ceulemans (Club Brugges and Belgium) 27 games, 17 goals *
    Mark Hughes (Manchester United and Wales) 36 games, 16 goals *
    Emilio Butragueno (Real Madrid and Spain) 29 games, 10 goals *
    Lajos Detari (Honved and Hungary) 30 games, 18 goals *
    Oleg Blokhin (Dynamo Kiev and Soviet Union)30 games, 10 goals in 1984 29 game, 12 goals in 1985 *
    Tibor Nyilasi (Austria Vienna and Hungary) 26 games, 17 goals *
    Steve Archibald (Barcelona and Scotland) 32 games, 15 goals *
    Igor Belanov (Chernomorets Odessa/Dynamo Kiev and Soviet Union) 33 games, 11 goals in 1984, 31 games, 10 goals in 1985 *
    Peter Beardsley (Newcastle United and England) 38 games, 17 goals *
    Jose Toure (Nantes and France) 27 games, 6 goals *

    Strikers
    Rudi Völler (Werder Bremen and West Germany) 32 games, 25 goals ***
    Klaus Allofs (FC Koln and West Germany) 32 games, 26 goals ***
    Fernando Gomes (Porto and Portugal) 30 games, 39 goals ***
    Vahid Halihodzic (Nantes and Yugoslavia) 34 games, 28 goals **
    Oleg Protasov (Dnipro Dniproprotovsk and Soviet Union) 34 games, 17 goals in 1984, 33 games, 35 goals in 1985 **
    Marco Van Basten (Ajax and Netherlands) 33 games, 22 goals *
    Gary Lineker (Leicester and England) 41 games, 24 goals *
    Hugo Sanchez (Atletico Madrid and Mexico) 33 games, 19 goals *
    Graeme Sharp (Everton and Scotland) 36 games, 21 goals *
    Bernard Lacombe (Bordeaux and France) 36 games, 22 goals
    Toni Polster (Austria Vienna and Austria) 29 games, 24 goals *
    Kerry Dixon (Chelsea and England) 41 games, 24 goals *
    Alessandro Altobelli (Internazionale and Italy) 30 games, 17 goals *
    Peter Houtman (Feyenoord and Netherlands) 32 games, 21 goals *
    Ian Rush (Liverpool and Wales) 28 games, 14 goals *

    World Class
    1.Michel Platini
    2.Diego Maradona
    3.Bernd Schuster
    4.Preben Eljaer-Larsen
    5.Neville Southall
    6.Hans-Peter Briegel
    7.Peter Reid
    8.Rudi Voller
    9.Klaus Allofs
    10.Fernando Gomes
    11.Pierre Littbarski
    12.Kevin Ratcliffe
    13.Luis Fernandez
    14.Migueli
  18. comme

    comme Moderator Staff Member

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    Have you adjusted it for inflation in some way?

    According to a book called The Glory Game, Spurs only had one player who earned £35,000-40,000 a year!! There is a strong suggestions that was Hoddle.
  19. PuckVanHeel

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    No, I translated the Guilders (Italian lira was mentioned in brackets - they just used the national bank exchange rate of that day) into euros. It is roughly a 2.20 conversion (or 1 guilder is 0.45 euros) but some say that the Guilder was traded too cheaply for the euro, and there are strong hints for that.

    This are the original Guilders figures, to make things clear.

    Falcao 5.6 million
    Maradona 2.8
    Rummenigge 1.75
    Socrates 1.5
    Giordano 1.5
    Rossi 1.4
    Altobelli 1.25
    Fanna 1.25
    Platini 1.2
    Bagni 1.2
    Schuster 1.05
    Gordillo 1.05
    Valdano 0.90
    Sanchez 0.87

    Voller 0.80
    Lerby 0.75
    Matthaus 0.72

    Giresse 0.50 (highest in France)

    Olsen 0.60 (highest in England they say)
    Robson 0.45


    However, this is including bonuses (for which they have accounted in some way) but excluding advertorial work, merchandising and so on.


    Btw, I think you are giving Migueli a bit too much WC ratings over the years. For example in comparison with Liverpool players but maybe the secret of Liverpool was also their depth instead of intrinsic quality of their very top stars.
  20. PuckVanHeel

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    In June 1985 Marco van Basten received a new contract. It is well known that Fiorentina wanted to buy him in the summer of 1984 (it was early 1984 decided that Italy would close again their borders for two years after June 1984 but that plan was cancelled in March 1985). A move was again in the news in the summer of 1985.

    Among other reasons, he stayed at Ajax because Ajax made a one-sided upgrade of his contract: 400000-500000 guilders a year. That made him together with Gullit, Tahamata and Van der Gijp the best paid player in the Netherlands, which also reflected status of course. Those four were mentioned in the press as best paid players as of July 1985.

    Gullit was mostly injured in 1984-85 season though and Van Basten was generally less good in 1984-85 as in 1983-84 (when he was really good and outstanding in an inexperienced side and that also with Pfeiffer's disease and so on).
    As said before, his form improved after the coach was sacked, Ajax won the title partially due to his efforts and the board unilaterally decided to upgrade the contract (which reflected status and age - his previous one was made before he was capped for example and a cap increases someone's value a great deal as well as goals and performances for NT). But the most noteworthy fact is that it made him one of the best, if not the best, paid players of the Netherlands.

    Best paid player in Belgium was Ceulemans and that reflected status, age and performances. He was captain of the Belgian national team and that was back then one of the five strongest national teams in Europe (if all players available). His salary was 450000 guilders. Scifo was despite his young age on place second but Anderlecht was a rich club in those days too. It has been said that the money and fame at a young age thwarted him (as well as other reasons like the return of Lozano) but he still did well at tournaments of course (i.e. voted best young player at WC1986, one of the best at 1990WC etcetera).
    It is also a hard fact that Anderlecht tried to buy Ceulemans in the summer of 1983 for a lot of money but Ceulemans himself refused for a myriad of reasons (which many did not understand).
  21. PuckVanHeel

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    Also good to differentiate between pre-tax and after-tax as well as the bonuses mentioned before. The list above was pre-taxes.

    Some other remark concerning the all star teams at tournaments: it seems that UEFA altered the teams of tournaments of 1992 and before. Since 1996 it looks like the teams remained unchanged.

    The 'all star teams' of World Cups on wikipedia are even outright false, if I'm allowed to be that frank. Example: at 1990WC Maradona did receive the Bronze Ball but he wasn't included in the team of the tournament by journalists. I also searched Italian newspaper archives and they mentioned the same team.
    [Don't say this to bash Maradona but I saw that as a nice discrepancy; received Bronze Ball but not included in tournament team]

    EDIT: wasn't clear about it but the team of the tournament was at the same meeting elected as the vote for Golden, Silver and Bronze ball. By the same panel of journalists.
  22. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member

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    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Quick question Comme, I was wondering why Valdano did not make the rankings this year. I find it hard to believe that the difference between this season and the 85-86 is 0 stars to 3. Numbers were very similar, 84-85 was a decent season for Madrid winning the UEFA cup and domestic cup, not quite as successful as 85-86 but still good. I just don't see the stark contrast in ratings between the two seasons. Maybe 85-86 was better that 84-85 but was it really as big of a contrast as being the 5th best player in the world to not even national class?

    84-85: 17 La Liga goals, 2 cup goals, 4 UEFA Cup goals
    85-86: 16 La Liga goals, 1 cup goal, 7 UEFA Cup goals

    I would also think he would be worthy of a ranking in 82-83 where he help push Zaragoza into the upper half of the table (#6) with 17 La Liga goals.

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