Ok here it is a video from a tv sport program in Brasil with the discussion Ronaldo x Romário. Soccer specialists and the general public voted on a poll, with more than half million votes. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH5ctSVL-xw"]YouTube - Romário X Ronaldo Enquete Esporte Espetacular[/ame]
Well Romario is a Carioca who played for Carioca clubs. Ronaldo is a Carioca now playing for a Paulista club. Some people may see that as a sort of betrayal. Hence the difference in votes.
^That is the truth. BTW I don't think the OP ever clarified whether this was about the best players of the 90's and then the best of the 00's, or the best of the two decades together...
YOUTUBE? yeah right - an "official" listing? Now about WHO made the votes, I don;t know how they know and how they rated. Appraisal: All I know most professionals like Coaches, legend players , and even younger players mostly appreciated Ronaldo more: 1- Coaches: Robson, Mourinho, Capello, Zagallo,Luxemburgo, Pareira all said Ronaldo was the best striker they ever had or the best since Maradona 2- Legends: Pele, Zico, Zairzinho, Maldini, Zidane , Messi.. all paid special admire to Ronaldo 3- Younger stars: Ronaldinho, Kaka, Pato, Robinho, Eduardo, Ibrahimovic.. are all idiolized and inspired by Ronaldo You don;t see such things for Romario! =================================================== STATS (same team/club for comparison apple to apple) 1- PSV: Ronaldo (54go/57ga =0.95GPG) > Romario (98go/109ga = 0.90GPG) 2- Barca: Ronaldo (47go/49ga =0.96GPG) > Romario (34go/46ga =0.74GPG) 3- Big events in NT: - WC: Ronaldo (15go+4as/19ga) 1WC+1final > Romario (5go+2as/7ga) 1WC Ronaldo won Goldenball98+Goldenboot02+Silverboot02+Bronzeboot06 > Romario 1Goldenball94 - COpa: Ronaldo (10go+4as/12ga) 2Copas + 1MVP 97 > Romario (4go+1ass/5ga) - COnfed: Romario (7go/6ga) goldenboot > Ronaldo (4go+2as/6ga) - Even we ignored the fact that Ronaldo played as SS behind Romario from 96-98) yet his goals stat are quite matced with more assists ================================================== Skills : 1- Dribble: Ronaldo 2- Ball COntrol: Equal 3- Passing: Ronaldo 4- Vision: Ronaldo 5- Shooting: Equal (even I ignore the fact that Ronaldo slightly better in longshots from 16-22m) 6- Efficiency: Eqqual 7- Adaptation: Ronaldo (slighly edge out with more clubs/leagues, and proven great with may different partner) 8- Header: Romario 9- Rising to big occasion: Equal 10- Athleticism/fitness: Romario ALL IN ALL: it's easy to see Ronaldo better and why Ronaldo was worldwidely rated as higher!
Skills : 1- Dribble: Ronaldo 2- Ball COntrol: Equal 3- Passing: Equal 4- Vision: Ronaldo 5- Shooting: Romário 6- Efficiency: Romário 7- Adaptation: Romário 8- Header: Romario 9- Rising to big occasion: Equal 10- Athleticism/fitness: Ronaldo
In 1999,he had his left knee injured trying to do a double lunge .No one believe Ronaldo could come back after his second time knee injured of 2000.But KING'S BACK and scored 8 goals in 02 world cup. We found some retire legends,like of Baggio,Basten...Ever since they got injuries, they could not recover from the failure and frustration.Only Ronaldo could do that!In 1998 World Cup ,Ronaldo was very close to the king of football of all time,but his dream ends with failure,the best player of mid '90s ,the fenomeno finished his long-cherished wish in 2002 world cup ,in 2007,the 100 kg Ronaldo scored 2 goals in his first game of Ac milan.in 2009,Pele said that Ronaldo is over,but he helped Corinthians won the Brazilian Cup and won the best player honor.In 2000,he still could played in football field though he hasn't played in FIFA 2010 world cup,you know,so many people thought Ronaldo would never play in 10 years ago And we couldn't compare Romario to Ronaldo,but we could compare Zico,Maradona,Baggio to Ronaldo.We should compare Romario to Puskas or Muller
Yeah,In Brazil:Romario > Ronaldo In World : Ronaldo > Romario Ronaldo's glory days were in Europe (PSV,Barca,Inter Milan),Romario's glory days were in Brazil ,though he also good when played in PSV and Barca. http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/pollresult.html?poll_id=54144&wv=1 http://eldeportero.com/2010/06/02/los-100-mejores-jugadores-de-la-historia-de-los-mundiales/16510
I don;t think YOUTUBE would represent "true Brazilian public" - except a whole bunch of youngsters who had time to deal with Youtube! I also had discussed with many "brazilan die hard fans" and they all agreed Ronaldo is much more multidimensional than the INBOX Romario!
what are you talking about that was a brazilian program from brazilian TV, put on youtube read the vote count at the end slightly in favor of Romario
That was a poll on Brasil global sport ，Romario won!And other poll about Zico X Zidane,Zico got around 64% if I'm not mistaken.But other poll in Spain Marca.com ,Zidane's votes more than Pele,he won the poll about "who was best No10 in World Cup history".
polls should always be taken with a grain of sand but it just shows that its a close debate not a landslide to Ronaldo thats all
OK agree here. It is a close debate However, related to that type of votes ; Just note that inside brazil alot of fans would still "believe" Garricha was a better player than Pele (?) and that would only confirm me how they rated players - no basis, no facts, no stats ... but strictly from their hearts
mind to share WHY you chose to say who better in the bold parts? pls, do not just say b/c he is better
Hard to vote for a guy who gets chanted: Iiiiih Você comeu o travesti HIV vai te pegar Tua familia toda chora Não tem remedio pra curar Tu vai morrer... tu vai morrer... Poor Gordo. The Fla torcida is amazing.
ZzZzZzZzZzZzZ Man, these is soccer, is not basketball, swimming, running and etc, you dont need stats in everything to prove who was a better player. Tell me what math experts say about who was better. Monnet or Picasso? My granpa saw Garrincha and Pelé many times and he believe that Garrincha was better, and whats is wrong about that? Ok should i tell my granpa that Pelé had more goals, more assists and more physical, and than he would say that Garrincha was more skillfull. Do you have any method to measure who had more skills? i dont think so... Maybe this is why some europeans soccer schools are so boring, like italian and english ones, they try to explain everything based on stats... If soccer could be explain in numbers it will be VERY BORING.
First, what made you think Soccer is so "special" compared to Basketball? (Swimming is an individual sport so it's not appropriate to soccer and basketball anyway) Now, as you mentioned Monet, Picasso or Vangoh ... PLEASE, do you really KNOW how those legends were rated thru their pieces of art? NOT BY television programm on YOUTUBE surely! They were judged and carefully studied by community of great professional artists, professors of arts in universities and so ... Same to soccer players, it's easy to say who is better in "OBVIOUS cases" like Baggio vs Inzaghi, or Pele vs Rooney ... but there are 2 difficult cases: 1- Players of different positions: like how to rate accurately Zidane vs Romario or Ronaldo? 2- a "close call" like Romario vs Ronaldo here; or Van Basten vs Eusebio ... In both above scenarios, a clear criteria/basis to be agreed upon HOW to rate them and BASED on WHAT? of course here came to the pictures: talents, FACTS like achievements individual and team, STATS like what he has done over career, and longevity to affirm he is NOT a wonder hero on ONE occasion.
I rather soccer than basketball, but i really like basketball too. Basketball is a sport that involves stats, there are stats everywhere, different than soccer. I just think that you cant compare genious using numbers, Ronaldo was great, Romário was great, i saw both players for a long time, on Tv, on the stadium and etc, but if you really like to use numbers on soccer, Romário made more than 1.000 goals, Ronaldo didn't. I dont think that Romário was better just because of that, because numbers dont explain nothing, they tell what you want to they to tell. Score 1.000 goals like Pelé is note hard, hard is make one goal like Pelé. Just to finish the Tv program that you are talking about is one of the most popular soccer programs in Brasil, and is not a youtube program.
Zidane. Brazilian zealots (or asian brazilian wannabe) would rate any 3 years old unknow brazilian ahead. Since this board is infested by them, ad nauseum, it starts to be unreadable.
That's not a Youtube video. It's a video from a very famous Brazilian sports program that is on TV. Somebody just decided to post it on Youtube. They decided to find out who was better by asking many journalists, experts,players, coaches and some regular people on the streets along with an Internet poll. Maybe you should a little better attention to what other people post before jumping to a conclusion.
Comparison of wingers/wide attacking midfielders/second strikers/forwards Conventional and non conventional Will not be including traditional type centre forwards and/or poachers Period 1990-2010 Premier league Serie A La liga The top 3 universally recognised leagues of this era Minimum 30 complete games played(All comps) Non pen goals+ assists per 90 Cristiano ronaldo 2009/10 29 non penalty goals+12 assists 2915 Minutes 1.26 goals+assists per 90 Lionel Messi 2008/09 3890 minutes 1.20 non penalty goals+assists per 90 Lionel Messi 2009/10 44 non penalty goals+13 assists 4402 minutes 1.16 goals+assists per 90 Thierry Henry 2004/05 29 goals+15 assists 3680 minutes 1.08 non penalty goals +assists per 90 Thierry Henry 2002/03 28 non penalty+28 assist 4638 minutes 1.08 non penalty goals+assists per 90 Ronaldo nazario 1996/97 39 non penalty goals +7 assists 4246 minutes 0.97 non penalty goals +assists per 90 Cristiano ronaldo 2007/08 36 non penalty goals+8 assists 4154 minutes 0.95 non pen goals +assists per 90 Thierry Henry 2003/04 32 non pen+15 assist 4459 minutes 0.95 non penalty goals+assists per 90 Ronaldinho gaucho 2005/06 16 non penalty goal+24 assists 3914 minutes 0.92 non penalty goals+assists per 90 Thierry Henry 2005/06 27 non penalty goals+10 assists 3772 miniutes 0.88 goals+assists per 90 Dennis bergkamp 1997/98 18 non penalty goals +11 assists 3019 minutes 0.86 non penalty goals +assists per 90 Alessandro del piero 1997/98 25 non penalty goals+12 assists 3915 miniutes 0.85 non penalty goals+assists per 90 Xavi Hernandez 2008/09 10 non penalty goals+30 assists 4337 minutes 0.83 non penalty goals +assists per 90 Rivaldo 1998/99 22 non penalty goal+17 assist 4211 minutes 0.83 non pen goals+ assist per 90 Cristiano Ronaldo 2006/07 18 non pen goals+21 assists 4386 miniutes 0.80 non penalty goals assists per 90 Rivaldo 2000/01 29 non penalty goals+10 assists 4467 minutes 0.78 non penalty goals+assists per 90 Roberto Baggio 1992/93 21 non penalty goals+9 assists 3545 minutes 0.76 non penalty goals+assists per 90 Eric Cantona 1993/94 19 non penalty goals+13 assists 3786 minutes 0.76 non penalty goal+assists per 90 Robert pires 2001/02 12 goals non penalty +16 assists 3493 minutes 0.74 goals+assists per 90 Luis Figo 2000/01 8 non penalty goals+27 assists 4340 minutes 0.72 non penalty goals +assists per 90 Ronaldo nazario 97/98 27 non penalty goals+6 assists 4142 minutes 0.72 non penalty goals+assists per 90 Ronaldinho 2003/04 3695 miniutes 18 non pen goals+11 assists 0.70 goals+assists per 90 Ronaldinho 06/07 18 non penalty goals+14 assists 4272 minutes 0.68 non pen goals+assist per 90 Roberto Baggio 1990/91 15 non penalty goals+13 assists 4045 minutes 0.62 non penalty goals+assists per 90 Luis Figo 1999/00 13 non pen goals +17 assists 4372 minutes 0.62 non pen goals+assists per 90 Kaka 2003/04 14 non penalty goals+7 assists 3226 minutes 0.58 non penalty goals+assists per minute David Beckham 1998/99 9 goals+17 assists 4687 minutes 0.5 goals+assists per 90 Ricardo Kaka 2006/07 12 non pen goals+11 assists 4156 minutes 0.5 non pen goal+assist per 90 Ronaldinho 04/05 4 non penalty goals+16 assists 3674 minutes 0.49 non penalty goals+assists per 90 Most underrated seasons Thierry Henry 2004/05 1.08 non penalty goals+assists per 90 with only one penalty At his very best for the NT against a WC Germany side Most overrated seasons Ronaldo nazario 1997/98 Significantly below the production of ADP Both playing in the same league Against the same opponents All data is from transfermarket And for 90s era Serie A assists I used this source http://soccer-europe.com/Biographies/Menu.html