The best non-WC year for Mexico?

What does that section have to do with the previous section and the one there after?

If an NT coach picks players without much of a thought as to if said player will work in the style he plans on implementing than that's on the coach not the youth developmental academies or the FMF. It's not and should not be up to the FMF to pick a style and run with it for years on end either as if it were a club team.

In theory we should have a coach that has a vision and picks the right players for said vision and carries that approach for a full four years. Then on to the next.

 

The point was that the federation shouldn't depend on clubs to produce players because there are too many clubs that are teaching their youth players their system and style.... these players may produce fantastically at the club level, but fail with the NT because they are not used to the NT coach's style....

By integrating all ranks withing a federation (NT), a player can move up the ranks and adaptation will be minimal.

This was in response to El Choul comment about clubs should emulate Pumas and Chivas.

It was also meant to tell John that clubs are not meant to produce players, their are their to win and remain in the top flight (or win promotion).

Actually, it is.

Why have different youth category teams and not integrate them?

The responsibility of the Federation is to develop players for the national team. The Federation is not threatened by relegation, clubs on the other hand are.

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I disagree. Its up to clubs to churn out talent and buy talent. The FMF's job is to hire competent people to spot said talent and form a cohesive fluid competitor on the world stage. The problem here is one of huevos. Who's gonna have the pair to let a man run the team when he's not calling a star instead of doing his best to fit square pegs in round holes like was done with Bravo?

If all the clubs are developing players the pool is larger and the styles varied. I don't want some dumb US style bradenton shit. That will just lead to many talents left undiscovered. With a pool large enough a decent coach could probaly put two or three very competitive teams on the field that could contend.

It's no strange occurence that the MLS is moving towards having DA's as they don't have second and third divisions. Bottom line is clubs develop talent. Before MLS the US sucked worse than it does.

 

I'm excited about this year and looking forward to the future, but it has to be 1999. A confederation cup is a confederation cup, no matter who the opposition sends. In the same way Copa America is Copa America, no matter what squad Mexico chose to send this year.

 

The 1999 argument is a good one, and I might throw in 1993 as well.

Mexico flattened everyone in the Gold Cup, made it to the final of the Copa America in their first foray, and qualified for the World Cup for the first time since 1978, again flattening most everyone.

 

I think 1993 was the most surprising, because we had no concept as to how good we were. We had hopes based originally on Menotti and the quality of the individual players, but like you say, we hadn't qualified for a WC in 15 years (for that matter, had only a single win in WCs off Mexican soil), and we had just had the 91 Gold Cup debacle (the original dos a cero against a bunch of semipros). I was just thinking of Batistuta's goals earlier today because of the 20th anniversary of him joining Fiorentina.

 

I'm with Nacho. Countries with national teams and no leagues, or bad leagues, don't seem to do very well in the talent production category.

With regards to the original question, it depends on how you weight youth accomplishments and senior accomplishments.

The 1999 Copa America and Confederation drew upon the same pool of players. The 2011 Gold Cup, sub-17 and sub-20 players come from three separate goups.

I'm kind of more impressed by 2011 cause it demonstrates overall strength across the whole national team program.

 

Yeah, only that 4 out those 5 players were legends especially the one in the bold. (although he was injured at the time)

 

Like I've said before, I don't believe in using the "B team" excuse, especially using it repeatedly to both discredit our rivals in 1999 (brazil wasn't as strong), and excuse ourselves in 2011 (our Copa America team). It's a slippery slope that leads to the argument that our U20 team barely tied an English team missing its top 36 players.

 

That's true, but in the 1999 sub-17 tournament only 8 teams advanced from the group stage, so the quarterfinal was the very first elimination game.

 

There was a round of 16. How do you think we ended up beating Argentina 4-1? Which by the way, was crazy considering how they use to dominate the U20s. Fun fact- JL Real was the coach at the time.

 

But I was talking about the 1999 sub-17 tournament. We were in a group with Spain, Ghana, and Thailand. We finished 2nd, advanced to quarters and lost to the U.S.

You're talking about the 1999 sub-20 tournament.

 

Ah I misread your post. Sorry.

 

I don't remember the 1999 confeds, so its an accomplishment i can't comment on.

This gold cup on the other hand was the greatest demonstration of team resiliency that i've ever seen.

I've seen countless examples of solid Mexican teams imploding once they went down.

Once we went down against any team that gave us difficulty the team would lose their heads and start whining, crying, and then the implosion would begin in earnest.

The World Cup against the Argies was over once Tevez got that cheap goal. The team completely lost its head and started complaining instead of focusing on getting a goal back. The floodgates opened because the team was too busy bitchin about the unfairness of life instead of trying to fight back.

The gold cup was a bitter thing to watch once we went down Dos A Cero, Its was omfg i can't believe that we are going to lose again. I was already preparing the eulogy and the empty feeling was becoming unbearable. I was prepared to watch a re-run of the worst of such talented Mexican teams imploding.

The Gold Cup comeback was huge, The team stormed back and demolished a US team so thoroughly that the despair of US fans was palpable.

This win was an exclamation point that the team had changed for the better and that Mexico would no longer defeat itself. Teams have to beat us now because this squad's mentality is monstrous

The U-17 was gravy and increased the immense satisfaction of Mexican fans while increasing the horror of US fans.

The US friendly was such a waste because if Chepo had not bungled it so badly we could have enjoyed the despair of US fans for several more months if not years.

 

Agree...totally on point.

 

Yeah but I've seen Rafa Marquez, our captain no less, get two straight reds against the US. I saw Oswango try to break Donovan's legs in frustration. I've seen our best guys turn into imps throwing patadas, miss easy put aways and in general just lose their heads in ways that made you feel embarrased for the team. They didn't have to say it on their boards. The writing was on the wall.

This current crop has something that the last generation didn't: a complete lack of fear and faith in the system. It doesn't hurt to get results either as winning is contagious. Mexico is finally showing that they value winning more than not losing.