Foreigners in Brazil All-Stars: Goalkeepers: Rodolfo RODRÍGUEZ - Santos - Uruguay Ladislao MAZURKIEWICZ - Atlético Mineiro - Uruguay Agustin CEJAS - Santos - Argentina Defenders: Elias FIGUEROA - Internacional - Chile Carlos GAMARRA - Corinthians - Paraguay Hugo DE LEÓN - Grêmio - Uruguay Alfonso DARIO PEREYRA - São Paulo - Uruguay Atílio ANCHETA - Grêmio - Uruguay Roberto PERFUMO - Cruzeiro - Argentina Francisco REYES - Flamengo - Paraguay José RAMOS DELGADO - Santos - Argentina Juan Pablo SORÍN - Cruzeiro - Argentina Héctor CINCUNEGUI - Atlético Mineiro - Uruguay Francisco ARCE - Palmeiras - Paraguay Pablo FORLAN - São Paulo - Uruguay Midfielders: Modesto BRIA - Flamengo - Paraguay Freddy RINCON - Corinthians - Colombia Pablo GUIÑAZÚ - Internacional - Argentina Claudio MALDONADO - Cruzeiro - Chile ROMERITO (Julio Cesar Romero) - Fluminense - Paraguay Pedro ROCHA - São Paulo - Uruguay Antonio SASTRE - São Paulo - Argentina Dejan PETKOVIC - Flamengo - Sérvia Darío CONCA - Fluminense - Argentina Walter MONTILLO - Cruzeiro - Argentina Andrés D'ALESSANDRO - Internacional - Argentina Attackers: Carlos TÉVEZ - Corinthians - Argentina Narciso DOVAL - Flamengo - Argentina Luis ARTIME - Palmeiras - Argentina Víctor ARISTIZÁBAL - Cruzeiro - Colombia Rodolfo FISCHER - Botafogo - Argentina Foreigners in Argentina All-Stars: Goalkeepers: Sérgio LIVINGSTONE - Racing Club - Chile José CHILAVERT - Vélez Sársfield - Paraguay Óscar CÓRDOBA - Boca Juniors - Colombia Defenders: Domingos DA GUIA - Boca Juniors - Brazil Ángel ZUBIETA - San Lorenzo - Spain Víctor BENÍTEZ - Boca Juniors - Peru Júlio MELÉNDEZ - Boca Juniors - Peru Ricardo PAVONI - Independiente - Uruguay Sérgio VILLAR - San Lorenzo - Uruguay Jorge GONZÁLEZ - Rosario Central - Uruguay Pedro BARRÍOS - Huracan - Uruguay Celso AYALA - River Plater - Paraguay Iván CÓRDOBA - San Lorenzo - Colombia Midfielders: Manuel FLEITAS SOLICH - Boca Juniors Iván MAYO - Vélez Sársfield - Chile Severino VARELA - Boca Juniors - Uruguay Walter GOMEZ - River Plate - Uruguay Enzo FRANCESCOLI - River Plate - Uruguay Adolfino CAÑETE - Ferro Carril - Paraguay Rubén PAZ - Racing Club - Uruguay Paulo SILAS - San Lorenzo - Brazil Mauricio SERNA - Boca Juniors - Colomba Attackers: Arsenio ÉRICO - Independiente - Paraguay Delfín BENÍTEZ CÁCERES - Boca Juniors - Paraguay Isidro LÁNGARA - San Lorenzo - Spain Ángel BERNI - San Lorenzo - Paraguay Paulo VALENTIM - Boca Juniors - Brazil Luis CUBILLA - River Plate - Uruguay Antonio ALZAMENDI - River Plate - Uruguay Rubén DA SILVA - River Plate - Uruguay Marcelo SALAS - River Plate - Chile Diego FORLÁN - Independiente - Uruguay Which country has the best squad? Who has the best starting 11? Who was forgotten? Who could be in the 32 squad? Who should be out? Let's discuss about who succeeded and who failed in both countries.
Great thread and players! Surely I'm forgetting some names. I will mention just a few. • GK Edgardo ANDRADA - Vasco da Gama - Argentina Between 1969 and 1975, Andrada was the #1 in Vasco. He won the Campeonato Brasileiro 1974 and the Bola de Prata 1971. It is also known to have suffered the thousandth goal of Pelé. • DF Diego LUGANO - São Paulo - Uruguay Overcame the distrust of the crowd and became idol of São Paulo after winning the Campeonato Brasileiro 2006, Taça Libertadores 2005 and the FIFA Club World Cup 2005. He won th Bola de Prata in 2004 and 2005. • MF Clarence SEEDORF - Botafogo - Netherlands It is the largest transfer of a foreigner in the history of brazilian football. Seedorf already shines in Brazil with his elegant football and his strong personal opinions. Until June 2014 in Botafogo, he will have time for scored many goals, assists and awards. - My Brazil team: Mazurkiewicz; Sorín, Figueroa, De León, Arce; Maldonado, Rincón, Conca, Petkovic, Romerito; Tévez
I believe Ruben Paz played for Internacional as well as Racing so he could be in either team. Diego Forlan is in the same situation, Independiente and now Internacional How about Juan Ramon Carrasco? He played for River and Racing in Argentina, and he might have played in Brasil also. That guy got around.
Yes, Ruben Paz could be in both teams, but I thought it would be weird to place him twice. And he had a better peak for Racing (south american player of the year - 1988) than for Internacional (bola de prata - 1985). Forlan still has a lot to prove in Internacional, he has done nothing there yet while he had 2 good seasons (99-00 and 01-02) and 1 really good (00-01) for Independiente. Carrasco did nothing worth of being a contender for these teams [a sub for River, only one good season for Racing (team topscorer) and he is not even remembered here in brazil as a player (São Paulo FC)] Great team and well remembered names! Seedorf is one of my favourite players and it's awesome to see he playing for Botafogo. Some weeks ago a crazy journalist (and unknown to me) even said that Seedorf already was an Idol at the level of (or greater than) Heleno de Freitas for Botafogo. You're right, most people remember Andrada for the Pelé's 1000th professional goal but he was also a great GK, he is remembered in argentina as the best GK from rosario central's history. About Lugano, to be honest I never liked his playing style (unnecessary roughness many times like W. Samuel, Pepe - ) but he really was a monster for SP's defense.
5 unofficial matches for Vasco in 1995. Remember your period here is funny for being an american. He didn't show his football.
I'd add Morel Rodriguez - Paraguay to the defenders. He had incredible years at Boca and San Lorenzo. You could also maybe make a case for Juan Pablo Angel - Colombia as a forward with River Plate.
Some other candidates would be Mario Yepes- River - Colombia Jorge Bermudez- Boca - Colombia And also Ruben da Silva- Uruguayan who played for River, Boca, and Rosario Central. He was top scorer in the league a few times. For goalkeeper- Jose Soriano- River- Peru. He was the goalkeeper during La Maquina, and didn't get too much credit historically due to the frontline getting all the headlines, but he was a really good keeper by all acounts. Another that came to mind is Ricardo Rojas- Paraguay- played for Estudiantes and River where he became a here for an amazing golazo against boca in 2002
Well said, Morel Rodriguez could easily be in the squad, he would be my second LB, after Ricardo Pavoni. JP Angel would make my honorable mentions list. Great names! Bermudez, Yepes and Soriano are definitely contenders. About Rojas, i don't know much about him, never appeared in my radar. I read more about Rojas and he looked like just an ok player, nothing special (In a Benfica forum most people said he lacked talent). Ruben da Silva is already in the list. By the way, RiverGaucho , which Uruguayan RB was better in Argentina? Sergio Villar or JJ Gonzalez? From what I read, Villar seemed a little bit more complete and played in a better team. But I'm not sure who would be the starter.
The thing about Rojas was that he never put a foot wrong. He was spectacular by any means, but he was a good leftback and he was very two footed. Its also true that in Argentina we have a huge shortage or fullbacks. At River, we had Juan Pablo Sorin, but when he left it was impossible to find a decent leftback until Rojas showed up. He will be in the hearts of River fans for this goal in one of the biggest bailes in the history of the superclasico. As for your other question, I unfortunately never saw either of these two people play. They were before my time, I will ask my dad to get his opinion. As for who would start, I'd have to say you couldn't go wrong with a front three of Francescoli-Salas-Alzamendi. River has always been an ideal location for Uruguayan players. Another Uruguayan who was a legend was Luis Cubilla
Foreigners in Argentina: Goalkeepers: Faryd MONDRAGON - Independiente - Colombia - 90s Carlos NAVARRO MONTOYA - Boca Jrs - Colombia - 90s Mirko BLAZINA - San Lorenzo - Yugoslavia - 40s Juan HONORES - Newell's - Perú - 40s Juan BESUZZO - River - Uruguay - 30s Carlos GOYEN - Independiente - Uruguay - 80s
Foreigners in Argentina: Defenders: ORLANDO Pecanha - Boca Jrs - Brazil - 60s Jose RODRIGUES NETO - Ferro - Brazil - 80s Luis A.PEREA - Boca Jrs - Colombia - 2000s Rogelio DELGADO - Independiente - Paraguay - 90s Isaac "Paco ANDRADE - Atlanta - Perú - 60s Juan VARGAS - Colon - Peru - 2000s Nelson GUTIERREZ - River - Uruguay - 80s Roberto MATOSAS - River - Uruguay - 60s Juan Carlos MESIAS - Racing - Uruguay - 60s Tomas ROLAN - Independiente - Uruguay - 60s
Foreigners in Argentina: Midfielders: Ramiro "Chocolatin" CASTILLO - Arg. Jrs/Rosario.Central - Bolivia - 80s Milton MELGAR - Boca Jrs - Bolivia - 80s Aaron WERGIFKER - River - Brazil - 30s Giovanni HERNANDEZ - Union - Colombia - 2000s Jairo PATIÑO - River - Colombia - 90s Arico SUAREZ - Boca Jrs - Spain - 30s Miguel ORTEGA - Gimnasia - Paraguay - 30s Segundo "Titina" CASTILLO - Lanus - Perú - 40s Juan JAYO - Union - Perú - 2000s Juan Carlos CORAZZO - Independiente - Uruguay - 30s Ariel KRASOUSKI - Boca Jrs - Uruguay - 80s Orlando MEDINA - Boca Jrs - Uruguay - 60s
Foreigners in Argentina: Forwards: DELEM - River - Brazil - 60s WALDEMAR do Brito - San Lorenzo - Brazil - 30s YESO AMALFI - Boca Jrs - Brazil - 40s Antony DE AVILA - Union - Colombia - 80s Radamel Falcao GARCIA - River - Colombia - 2000s Walter PERAZZO - San Lorenzo - Colombia - 80s Albeiro USURIAGA - Independiente - Colombia - 90s Armando DELY VALDEZ - Arg. Jrs - Panama - 80s Gonzalo HIGUAIN - River - France - 2000s David TREZEGUET - Platense - France - 90s Ferenc SAS - Boca Jrs - Hungary - 40s Renato CESARINI - River - Italy - 30s Delio ONNIS - Gimnasia - Italy - 70s Roberto CABAÑAS - Boca Jrs - Paraguay - 90s Jorge "Campolo" ALCALDE - Banfield - Perú - 40s Miguel LOAYZA - Huracan - Perú - 60s Valeriano LOPEZ - Huracan - Perú - 50s Franco NAVARRO - Independiente - Perú - 80s Percy ROJAS - Independiente - Perú - 70s Walter GOMEZ - River - Uruguay - 50s Severino VARELA - Boca Jrs - Uruguay - 40s Roberto PORTA - Independiente - Uruguay - 30s
I think Chilean Jorge Valdivia (Palmeiras) could be a candidate. Severino Varela and Walter Gómez played as forwards in Argentina.
Navarro Montoya was Argentine though. Two class players from Bolivia, Melgar is a Boca legend...too bad the club international success came a bit after he had left. RIP Chocolatin.
Nice collection of names msioux! I would add to the shortlist: Defenders: Idalino MONGES - Independiente - Paraguay - 60s Julio César RAMIREZ - Huracan - Paraguay - 40s Isidoro GARCÍA - Chacarita - Paraguay - 50s Mids: Bartolome BRIZUELA - Chacarita - Paraguay -30s
Besides Freddy Rincon, any players from Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador or Peru have excelled in Brazil?
Other famous foreign players in Brazil. Except Barcos and Abreu, all others had discrete or bad passages. GK Roberto Abbondanzieri - Internacional - 2010 GK Sergio Goycochea - Internacional - 1995-1996 DF Celso Ayala - São Paulo - 2000 DF Sebá Domínguez - Corinthians - 2005-2007 MF Javier Mascherano - Corinthians - 2005-2006 MF Leonardo Astrada - Grêmio - 2000 MF Jorge Valdivia - Palmeiras - 2008, 2010-2013 FW Diego Aguirre - Internacional e São Paulo - 1989-1991 FW Hernán Barcos - Palmeiras e Grêmio - 2012-2013 FW Loco Abreu - Grêmio, Botafogo e Figueirense - 1998, 2010-2012 LDUs players: Edison Mendez (Atlético-MG, 2010) , Patricio Urrutia (Fluminense, 2009), Luis Bolaños (Santos e Internacional, 2009), Joffre Guerrón (Cruzeiro e Atlético-PR, 2009-2012)
Peruvian brothers Óscar and Carlos Gómez Sánchez had also great spells in Argentina, the first in Gimnasia y Esgrima La Plata and the second in Boca Juniors.
Well, I can say 2 names: Victor Aristizabal (Colombia) - He was part of one of the best teams of Cruzeiro's history - "The 2003'Triple Crown" - State Championship (Estadual de Minas Gerais), Brazilian Cup (Copa do Brasil) and National Championship (Brasileirão). 54 games, 28 goals, all in 2003. Alberto Gallardo (Peru) - Played for Palmeiras from 1966 to 1967. He played 45 games (23 wins, 12 draws and 10 losses), and made 21 goals. He had a pretty good passage, helping the team to win 2 titles:1966'Paulistão (State championship) and 1967'Torneio Roberto Gomes de Pedroza (National tournament that had the value of a National championship). Here's a list of all peruvians that played in Brazil: 1- Jesús Villalobos (Fluminense/1954) 2- Alberto Gallardo (Palmeiras/1966-1967) 3- Ramón Mifflin (Santos/1974) 4- Juan C. Cabanillas (Sao Paulo/1989) 5- Percy Olivares (Fluminense/1996) 6- Roberto Palacios (Cruzeiro/1997) 7- Abel Lobatón (Atlético-PR/2000) 8- Carlos Flores (Atlético-PR/2000) 9- Jorge Soto (Flamengo/2000) 10- Marko Ciurlizza (Botafogo/2001) 11- Flavio Maestri (Vitória/2003-2004) 12- Martín Hidalgo (Inter/2006-2007) (Gremio/2007-2008) 13- Víctor Rossel (Esportivo/2008) 14- Luís Ramírez (Corinthians/2011) 15- Paolo Guerrero (Corinthians/2012) Only Gallardo and Guerrero had success, the others collected mediocre to ok/nothing special passages.