The best foreign players in Argentina and Brazil's soccer history

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  1. ManiacButcher

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    Foreigners in Brazil All-Stars:
    Goalkeepers:
    Rodolfo RODRÍGUEZ - Santos - Uruguay
    Ladislao MAZURKIEWICZ - Atlético Mineiro - Uruguay
    Agustin CEJAS - Santos - Argentina

    Defenders:
    Elias FIGUEROA - Internacional - Chile
    Carlos GAMARRA - Corinthians - Paraguay
    Hugo DE LEÓN - Grêmio - Uruguay
    Alfonso DARIO PEREYRA - São Paulo - Uruguay
    Atílio ANCHETA - Grêmio - Uruguay
    Roberto PERFUMO - Cruzeiro - Argentina
    Francisco REYES - Flamengo - Paraguay
    José RAMOS DELGADO - Santos - Argentina
    Juan Pablo SORÍN - Cruzeiro - Argentina
    Héctor CINCUNEGUI - Atlético Mineiro - Uruguay
    Francisco ARCE - Palmeiras - Paraguay
    Pablo FORLAN - São Paulo - Uruguay

    Midfielders:
    Modesto BRIA - Flamengo - Paraguay
    Freddy RINCON - Corinthians - Colombia
    Pablo GUIÑAZÚ - Internacional - Argentina
    Claudio MALDONADO - Cruzeiro - Chile
    ROMERITO (Julio Cesar Romero) - Fluminense - Paraguay
    Pedro ROCHA - São Paulo - Uruguay
    Antonio SASTRE - São Paulo - Argentina
    Dejan PETKOVIC - Flamengo - Sérvia
    Darío CONCA - Fluminense - Argentina
    Walter MONTILLO - Cruzeiro - Argentina
    Andrés D'ALESSANDRO - Internacional - Argentina

    Attackers:
    Carlos TÉVEZ - Corinthians - Argentina
    Narciso DOVAL - Flamengo - Argentina
    Luis ARTIME - Palmeiras - Argentina
    Víctor ARISTIZÁBAL - Cruzeiro - Colombia
    Rodolfo FISCHER - Botafogo - Argentina

    Foreigners in Argentina All-Stars:
    Goalkeepers: Sérgio LIVINGSTONE - Racing Club - Chile
    José CHILAVERT - Vélez Sársfield - Paraguay
    Óscar CÓRDOBA - Boca Juniors - Colombia

    Defenders:
    Domingos DA GUIA - Boca Juniors - Brazil
    Ángel ZUBIETA - San Lorenzo - Spain
    Víctor BENÍTEZ - Boca Juniors - Peru
    Júlio MELÉNDEZ - Boca Juniors - Peru
    Ricardo PAVONI - Independiente - Uruguay
    Sérgio VILLAR - San Lorenzo - Uruguay
    Jorge GONZÁLEZ - Rosario Central - Uruguay
    Pedro BARRÍOS - Huracan - Uruguay
    Celso AYALA - River Plater - Paraguay
    Iván CÓRDOBA - San Lorenzo - Colombia

    Midfielders:
    Manuel FLEITAS SOLICH - Boca Juniors
    Iván MAYO - Vélez Sársfield - Chile
    Severino VARELA - Boca Juniors - Uruguay
    Walter GOMEZ - River Plate - Uruguay
    Enzo FRANCESCOLI - River Plate - Uruguay
    Adolfino CAÑETE - Ferro Carril - Paraguay
    Rubén PAZ - Racing Club - Uruguay
    Paulo SILAS - San Lorenzo - Brazil
    Mauricio SERNA - Boca Juniors - Colomba

    Attackers:
    Arsenio ÉRICO - Independiente - Paraguay
    Delfín BENÍTEZ CÁCERES - Boca Juniors - Paraguay
    Isidro LÁNGARA - San Lorenzo - Spain
    Ángel BERNI - San Lorenzo - Paraguay
    Paulo VALENTIM - Boca Juniors - Brazil
    Luis CUBILLA - River Plate - Uruguay
    Antonio ALZAMENDI - River Plate - Uruguay
    Rubén DA SILVA - River Plate - Uruguay
    Marcelo SALAS - River Plate - Chile
    Diego FORLÁN - Independiente - Uruguay


    Which country has the best squad? Who has the best starting 11?
    Who was forgotten? Who could be in the 32 squad? Who should be out?
    Let's discuss about who succeeded and who failed in both countries.
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  2. Lucas Gomes

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    Great thread and players! Surely I'm forgetting some names. I will mention just a few.

    GK Edgardo ANDRADA - Vasco da Gama - Argentina
    Between 1969 and 1975, Andrada was the #1 in Vasco. He won the Campeonato Brasileiro 1974 and the Bola de Prata 1971. It is also known to have suffered the thousandth goal of Pelé.

    DF Diego LUGANO - São Paulo - Uruguay
    Overcame the distrust of the crowd and became idol of São Paulo after winning the Campeonato Brasileiro 2006, Taça Libertadores 2005 and the FIFA Club World Cup 2005. He won th Bola de Prata in 2004 and 2005.

    • MF Clarence SEEDORF - Botafogo - Netherlands
    It is the largest transfer of a foreigner in the history of brazilian football. Seedorf already shines in Brazil with his elegant football and his strong personal opinions. Until June 2014 in Botafogo, he will have time for scored many goals, assists and awards.

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    My Brazil team:
    Mazurkiewicz; Sorín, Figueroa, De León, Arce; Maldonado, Rincón, Conca, Petkovic, Romerito; Tévez
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  3. guri

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    I believe Ruben Paz played for Internacional as well as Racing so he could be in either team.
    Diego Forlan is in the same situation, Independiente and now Internacional

    How about Juan Ramon Carrasco? He played for River and Racing in Argentina, and he might have played in Brasil also. That guy got around.
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    Yes, Ruben Paz could be in both teams, but I thought it would be weird to place him twice. And he had a better peak for Racing (south american player of the year - 1988) than for Internacional (bola de prata - 1985).

    Forlan still has a lot to prove in Internacional, he has done nothing there yet while he had 2 good seasons (99-00 and 01-02) and 1 really good (00-01) for Independiente.

    Carrasco did nothing worth of being a contender for these teams [a sub for River, only one good season for Racing (team topscorer) and he is not even remembered here in brazil as a player (São Paulo FC)]

    Great team and well remembered names!
    Seedorf is one of my favourite players and it's awesome to see he playing for Botafogo. Some weeks ago a crazy journalist (and unknown to me) even said that Seedorf already was an Idol at the level of (or greater than) Heleno de Freitas for Botafogo.
    You're right, most people remember Andrada for the Pelé's 1000th professional goal but he was also a great GK, he is remembered in argentina as the best GK from rosario central's history.
    About Lugano, to be honest I never liked his playing style (unnecessary roughness many times like W. Samuel, Pepe - :D) but he really was a monster for SP's defense.


  5. Pipiolo

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    What about Cobi Jones for the Brazilian side and Alberto Garcia Aspe for the Argentine side?
  6. Lucas Gomes

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    5 unofficial matches for Vasco in 1995. Remember your period here is funny for being an american. He didn't show his football. :)
  7. Dr. Know

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    I'd add Morel Rodriguez - Paraguay to the defenders. He had incredible years at Boca and San Lorenzo.

    You could also maybe make a case for Juan Pablo Angel - Colombia as a forward with River Plate.
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    Those two definitely belong.
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    How would an A and B squad/team with foreigners look like?
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    Some other candidates would be

    Mario Yepes- River - Colombia

    Jorge Bermudez- Boca - Colombia

    And also Ruben da Silva- Uruguayan who played for River, Boca, and Rosario Central. He was top scorer in the league a few times.

    For goalkeeper- Jose Soriano- River- Peru. He was the goalkeeper during La Maquina, and didn't get too much credit historically due to the frontline getting all the headlines, but he was a really good keeper by all acounts.

    Another that came to mind is Ricardo Rojas- Paraguay- played for Estudiantes and River where he became a here for an amazing golazo against boca in 2002
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  11. ManiacButcher

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    Well said, Morel Rodriguez could easily be in the squad, he would be my second LB, after Ricardo Pavoni.
    JP Angel would make my honorable mentions list.

    Great names!
    Bermudez, Yepes and Soriano are definitely contenders.
    About Rojas, i don't know much about him, never appeared in my radar. I read more about Rojas and he looked like just an ok player, nothing special (In a Benfica forum most people said he lacked talent).
    Ruben da Silva is already in the list. :D

    By the way, RiverGaucho , which Uruguayan RB was better in Argentina? Sergio Villar or JJ Gonzalez? From what I read, Villar seemed a little bit more complete and played in a better team. But I'm not sure who would be the starter.
  12. Pipiolo

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    I would also mention Norberto Solano (Peru) who played at Boca Jrs.
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    The thing about Rojas was that he never put a foot wrong. He was spectacular by any means, but he was a good leftback and he was very two footed. Its also true that in Argentina we have a huge shortage or fullbacks. At River, we had Juan Pablo Sorin, but when he left it was impossible to find a decent leftback until Rojas showed up. He will be in the hearts of River fans for this goal in one of the biggest bailes in the history of the superclasico.



    As for your other question, I unfortunately never saw either of these two people play. They were before my time, I will ask my dad to get his opinion.

    As for who would start, I'd have to say you couldn't go wrong with a front three of Francescoli-Salas-Alzamendi.

    River has always been an ideal location for Uruguayan players. Another Uruguayan who was a legend was Luis Cubilla
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    Foreigners in Argentina:
    Goalkeepers:
    Faryd MONDRAGON - Independiente - Colombia - 90s
    Carlos NAVARRO MONTOYA - Boca Jrs - Colombia - 90s
    Mirko BLAZINA - San Lorenzo - Yugoslavia - 40s
    Juan HONORES - Newell's - Perú - 40s
    Juan BESUZZO - River - Uruguay - 30s
    Carlos GOYEN - Independiente - Uruguay - 80s
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    Foreigners in Argentina:
    Defenders:
    ORLANDO Pecanha - Boca Jrs - Brazil - 60s
    Jose RODRIGUES NETO - Ferro - Brazil - 80s
    Luis A.PEREA - Boca Jrs - Colombia - 2000s
    Rogelio DELGADO - Independiente - Paraguay - 90s
    Isaac "Paco ANDRADE - Atlanta - Perú - 60s
    Juan VARGAS - Colon - Peru - 2000s
    Nelson GUTIERREZ - River - Uruguay - 80s
    Roberto MATOSAS - River - Uruguay - 60s
    Juan Carlos MESIAS - Racing - Uruguay - 60s
    Tomas ROLAN - Independiente - Uruguay - 60s
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    Foreigners in Argentina:
    Midfielders:
    Ramiro "Chocolatin" CASTILLO - Arg. Jrs/Rosario.Central - Bolivia - 80s
    Milton MELGAR - Boca Jrs - Bolivia - 80s
    Aaron WERGIFKER - River - Brazil - 30s
    Giovanni HERNANDEZ - Union - Colombia - 2000s
    Jairo PATIÑO - River - Colombia - 90s
    Arico SUAREZ - Boca Jrs - Spain - 30s
    Miguel ORTEGA - Gimnasia - Paraguay - 30s
    Segundo "Titina" CASTILLO - Lanus - Perú - 40s
    Juan JAYO - Union - Perú - 2000s
    Juan Carlos CORAZZO - Independiente - Uruguay - 30s
    Ariel KRASOUSKI - Boca Jrs - Uruguay - 80s
    Orlando MEDINA - Boca Jrs - Uruguay - 60s
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    Foreigners in Argentina:
    Forwards:
    DELEM - River - Brazil - 60s
    WALDEMAR do Brito - San Lorenzo - Brazil - 30s
    YESO AMALFI - Boca Jrs - Brazil - 40s
    Antony DE AVILA - Union - Colombia - 80s
    Radamel Falcao GARCIA - River - Colombia - 2000s
    Walter PERAZZO - San Lorenzo - Colombia - 80s
    Albeiro USURIAGA - Independiente - Colombia - 90s
    Armando DELY VALDEZ - Arg. Jrs - Panama - 80s
    Gonzalo HIGUAIN - River - France - 2000s
    David TREZEGUET - Platense - France - 90s
    Ferenc SAS - Boca Jrs - Hungary - 40s
    Renato CESARINI - River - Italy - 30s
    Delio ONNIS - Gimnasia - Italy - 70s
    Roberto CABAÑAS - Boca Jrs - Paraguay - 90s
    Jorge "Campolo" ALCALDE - Banfield - Perú - 40s
    Miguel LOAYZA - Huracan - Perú - 60s
    Valeriano LOPEZ - Huracan - Perú - 50s
    Franco NAVARRO - Independiente - Perú - 80s
    Percy ROJAS - Independiente - Perú - 70s
    Walter GOMEZ - River - Uruguay - 50s
    Severino VARELA - Boca Jrs - Uruguay - 40s
    Roberto PORTA - Independiente - Uruguay - 30s
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    I think Chilean Jorge Valdivia (Palmeiras) could be a candidate.

    Severino Varela and Walter Gómez played as forwards in Argentina.
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    Navarro Montoya was Argentine though.

    Two class players from Bolivia, Melgar is a Boca legend...too bad the club international success came a bit after he had left.

    RIP Chocolatin.
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  20. ManiacButcher

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    Nice collection of names msioux!

    I would add to the shortlist:

    Defenders:
    Idalino MONGES - Independiente - Paraguay - 60s
    Julio César RAMIREZ - Huracan - Paraguay - 40s
    Isidoro GARCÍA - Chacarita - Paraguay - 50s

    Mids:
    Bartolome BRIZUELA - Chacarita - Paraguay -30s
  21. Pipiolo

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    Besides Freddy Rincon, any players from Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador or Peru have excelled in Brazil?
  22. Lucas Gomes

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    Other famous foreign players in Brazil. Except Barcos and Abreu, all others had discrete or bad passages.

    GK Roberto Abbondanzieri - Internacional - 2010
    GK Sergio Goycochea - Internacional - 1995-1996
    DF Celso Ayala - São Paulo - 2000
    DF Sebá Domínguez - Corinthians - 2005-2007
    MF Javier Mascherano - Corinthians - 2005-2006
    MF Leonardo Astrada - Grêmio - 2000
    MF Jorge Valdivia - Palmeiras - 2008, 2010-2013
    FW Diego Aguirre - Internacional e São Paulo - 1989-1991
    FW Hernán Barcos - Palmeiras e Grêmio - 2012-2013
    FW Loco Abreu - Grêmio, Botafogo e Figueirense - 1998, 2010-2012
    LDUs players: Edison Mendez (Atlético-MG, 2010) , Patricio Urrutia (Fluminense, 2009), Luis Bolaños (Santos e Internacional, 2009), Joffre Guerrón (Cruzeiro e Atlético-PR, 2009-2012)
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    Peruvian brothers Óscar and Carlos Gómez Sánchez had also great spells in Argentina, the first in Gimnasia y Esgrima La Plata and the second in Boca Juniors.
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    Well, I can say 2 names:

    Victor Aristizabal (Colombia) - He was part of one of the best teams of Cruzeiro's history - "The 2003'Triple Crown" - State Championship (Estadual de Minas Gerais), Brazilian Cup (Copa do Brasil) and National Championship (Brasileirão). 54 games, 28 goals, all in 2003.
    Alberto Gallardo (Peru) - Played for Palmeiras from 1966 to 1967. He played 45 games (23 wins, 12 draws and 10 losses), and made 21 goals. He had a pretty good passage, helping the team to win 2 titles:1966'Paulistão (State championship) and 1967'Torneio Roberto Gomes de Pedroza (National tournament that had the value of a National championship).

    Here's a list of all peruvians that played in Brazil:
    1- Jesús Villalobos (Fluminense/1954)
    2- Alberto Gallardo (Palmeiras/1966-1967)
    3- Ramón Mifflin (Santos/1974)
    4- Juan C. Cabanillas (Sao Paulo/1989)
    5- Percy Olivares (Fluminense/1996)
    6- Roberto Palacios (Cruzeiro/1997)
    7- Abel Lobatón (Atlético-PR/2000)
    8- Carlos Flores (Atlético-PR/2000)
    9- Jorge Soto (Flamengo/2000)
    10- Marko Ciurlizza (Botafogo/2001)
    11- Flavio Maestri (Vitória/2003-2004)
    12- Martín Hidalgo (Inter/2006-2007) (Gremio/2007-2008)
    13- Víctor Rossel (Esportivo/2008)
    14- Luís Ramírez (Corinthians/2011)
    15- Paolo Guerrero (Corinthians/2012)

    Only Gallardo and Guerrero had success, the others collected mediocre to ok/nothing special passages.
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    Thanks, good to know.

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