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Discussion in 'AFC: Tournaments' started by druryfire, Aug 3, 2011.
Yeah, because giving Qatar 4 spots, and Arab Emirates 3, is not cheating, and is rather a reward for their respective league's excellence. Meanwhile, they take away Iran's 2 guaranteed spots.
Blatter, what a fcukin idiot.
so many new posters from november 2011 lately.
So Korea, China, Australia, Thailand and Indonesia will have spot for qualification? so 6 teams in east zone qualificaton?
Does anyone know anything about the play-off format? Are the West and East teams separated? Are there seeds? How does it work?
But thats not them nations cheating is it like you said.
yep - soccernet has it now... http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/s...orea-lose-asian-champions-league-spot?cc=4716
"That criteria is based on a ratings system that examines league administration, marketing, attendances, stadia and promotion/relegation among other factors; unlike the UEFA Champions League's co-efficient, which is based on displays on the pitch, the AFC focuses on performance off the field."
Attendances? Did any of the of the AFC committee members who conducted this research actually go to a QSL game?
AFC Point Ranking of professional leagues (November 2011)
Full points: 800
From 600,0 and above 4 direct slots
From 575,0 up to 600,0 3 direct slots + 1 Play-off slot
From 525,0 up to 575,0 3 direct slots
From 450,0 up to 525,0 2 direct slots
From 250,0 up to 450,0 1 direct slot
Less than 250,0 0 slots
South Korea 708.5
Saudi Arabia 668.2
--------------------- above leagues should have 4 direct entrance
--------------------- above leagues should have 3+1 spots
-------------------- 3 direct spots
-------------------- 2 direct spots
--------------------1 direct spots
Decide the participating MAs and the number of clubs according to the below
1. Criteria (MA/Leagues/Clubs should fulfill all ACL Criteria).
2. Point ranking (Distribute the slots between the countries according to
the points scored by each country).
3. Number of clubs in the top division (The number that is 1/3 of clubs in
the league will be the maximum number of slots which can be
4. Maximum number of clubs from one country (4 slots).
5. Reference figure (Distribute the slots taking the reference figure into
6. 14 slots for direct participation and 2 slots for ACL Play-off both in
West and East.
Areas failed to meet ACL Criteria
1. Only three (3) Member Associations - Japan, Qatar and Uzbekistan - met the
AFC Champions League Criteria.
2. Saudi Arabia, UAE, IR Iran, Korea, China, Australia and Thailand failed to meet
some items of AFC Champions League Criteria; however, they shall be allowed to
participate in AFC Champions League 2012 under the condition of decreasing
one direct slot to play-off slot.
the items failed to meet by these countries:
South Korea: (1) Governance/ Soundness
China (1): Media
Saudi Arabia (1): Attendance
UAE (1): Attendance
Iran (2): Media,Clubs
Australia (3): Governance/ Soundness, Media & Clubs
Thailand (5): Attendance, Governance/ Soundness, Game Opration, Media & Clubs
3. Indonesia will not be allowed to get an ACL direct slot since they failed to meet
many items of AFC Champions League Criteria; however, it will be given one ACL
play-off slot to support the development of football in Indonesia even though they
do not meet the AFC Champions League Criteria
Indonesia failed to meet six (6) items of the Criteria: Organisation,Attendance,Governance/ Soundness, Game Operation,Media,Clubs
The entire Qatar league is comprised of 12 teams... 4 of those qualify (33%)!
Qatar managed to meet the attendance requirement? Really?
If I'm not wrong attendance figures are actually taken from number of tickets sold.
These sheikhs can do anything to get there you know what I mean.
That also makes it a bit dumb that A-League with only 10 teams and a poor ACL record managed to get an increase to 2+1 teams. When last time they were ranked, they had 11 teams and had 2 ACL entrants.
That is such a joke. Japan (only other nation with 4 automatic places) has 38 professional teams in J1 & J2, Qatar only 12 ffs.
I think they're doing it cause they hope it'll improve Qatari football if they keep doing this until 2022 so they don't get embarrassed or something. Then again I'd thought they'd figured that out when they hired South American players to play for Qatar.
And wtf is an Uzbekistan team doing in the East Zone???!?!?!?!? If they want Uzbekistan to have more places they should take one from Qatar.
Sadly, it looks like everything in the ACL will be biased towards Qatar for the next 11 years or so...
ACL Qualification rules
5 teams from west asian and 5 teams from east asia will compete in ACL qualification,
in each zone 5 teams will be drawn as A2, B1, B2, C1,C2
in the first round of ACL. C1 plays C2 in a 1 leg match, the winner will be A1
in the second round of the qualification, A1 plays A2, B1 Plays B2 in 1 leg match,2 winners goes to ACL group Stage and two eliminatined team will be award a spot in AFC Cup
But half of those teams will not want to play in the AFC Cup?
Well, these decisions might actually make AFC Cup stronger and bridge the gap.
For example, Oman have gone on record as wanting to enter the ACL in 2013, now, playing a stornger nation will only help them in their preperation for the move up.
1. It seems a bit unfair for the teams drawn as C1/C2 because they have to play an extra game. Will that be decided by seeding?
2. I don't think a Korean team for example would be happy playing in the AFC Cup. But from the draw, I think it'll be an A-League side and a Thai side probably unless they produce upsets.
Though it's definitely true that this rule would bridge the gap between AFC Cup & ACL. From that standpoint it's actually a pretty good idea (my opinion is biased though cause no Japanese team has to go through that crap).
Qatar scored 50/100 in attendance criteria...why does it not fail? Saudi Arabia got higher but still failed.
Bin Hammam is out so I doubt that really.
more like the FIFA is in favour of the Qatari.
What do you mean? FIFA basically wants everyone to think that Bin Hammam is Satan incarnate.
It could help bridge the gap between the nations currently wanting to play ACL football but never get the chance but also widen the gap between nations that currently struggle to play AFC Cup football.
Depending on the luck of the draw, you could be seeing Pohang Steelers, recent winners of the ACL be going to the Maldives for a kick around. Doesn't seem to help the Maldives teams, it also doesn't really help sending a professional outfit out that way either.
I think its a lovely idea- to improve Asian club football accross the board. The loser from the CL play off will enter the AFC Cup, and ideally that side should be a force in the AFC Cup. The teams in the AFC Cup will relish to play these teams.
Imagine an A-league side losing the play-off and entering the AFC Cup, only to be grouped with a Maldives, Lebanon club side. Its only good for the game and as previous guys have said up top- it will help bridge the gap,
Would love to see something similar with the AFC Cup and the Presidents Cup, maybe the winner of the Presidents Cup qualifies for the AFC Cup...?
CSL club Liaoning Whowin withdrew from ACL qualification.
1. Before AFC changed ACL slots distribution, They have confirmed that 3rd place of CSL will enter ACL group stage automatically, Liaoning Whowin consider the new format, which means they will have to compete in the qualification rounds, is a disgrace to the club and the CSL.
2. If Liaoning failed in qualification rounds, then maybe they'll have to play the AFC cup, that will bring huge financial looses to the club and the investors have no interests to the AFC Cup.
A disgrace to the club? You mean the club that didn't win anyting to take part in the ACL? They should think themselves lucky, look at some nations where winners don't even compete.
The investors have no interest in the AFC Cup, are they telling us that they would expect to lose their ACL playoff match then? So better to drop out of ACL on their terms rather than being beaten on the field?