makes sense in a kinda twisted way. I mean its all the same in the end, I rant and rave but Im a real sweetheart in the end. youre still all invited for asado at my house if any of ya end up in Buenos Aires.
Not sure if this fits into the topic, but it's the famous Tano Pasman and Gangnam style, incase you needed another reason to hate River (for the song).
Adalberto Román (jugador de river): "Me dolió lo que canto la gente , yo soy de Paraguay y no tiene nada de malo nacer ahí como en Bolivia, estoy orgulloso de haber nacido en Paraguay y la verdad me sentí ofendido con los cantos de la gente hacia la gente de mi país y de Bolivia". La hinchada de riBer es la vergüenza del país
Además de ser racistas y xenófobos son unos boludos. Ni siquiera se dan cuenta que están ofendiendo a sus propios jugadores.
I agree with him 100%. There is nothing wrong with being born in Bolivia or Paraguay, so why was this group of ignorant fans comparing people of those countries to bosteros? My apologies to our South American brothers on behalf of those idiots, we know you're not all bostis.
this is my stance on most of this, theyve got it backwards. Plus most of my friends/everyone Im around is Paraguyan and not one of them is a Boca fan.
And the Velez fans sing the same thing, and their all time greatest idol is paraguayan. I know this is the anti-river thread, but you can hardly point all the blame at River fans when your game against racing had to be stopped just 6 days before for xenofobic chants... Pretty much every game boca plays has to get stopped for these songs actually. And Boca fans are not innocent in this either you know. There is a lot of racism amongst boca fans. It might not be open as singing those songs, but there is certainly racism and discrimination, reading some of the comments on Olé, and there are some boca fans who had some less than pleasant things to say about Ribair Rodriguez mostly having to do with the color of his skin (negro de ....) I'm not defending it, but racism is a huge problem in Argentine Futbol, but its more a problem in society. The amount of racism and discrimination that takes place in day to day life is amazing, and most of it is completely accepted. Also, I'm curious as to what your opinion on this is.... Why is it ok to say "El que no salta es un ingles" but you can't say "el que no salta es de bolivia y paraguay" I agree that all the racism should be cut out of the game, but its going to be damn hard to do
Do you have a link to this? I read pretty much every not about River in Olé, Clarín, La Nación, Riverplate.com and I haven't heard this brought up. I also listen to sports talk radio on the way home from work, and I haven't heard anything about this. I'm not saying the songs aren't disrespectful, but I haven't seen this reported. He's also hardly the first Paraguayan to play for River and I've never heard the likes of Celso Ayala complain either Chilavert was the greatest player in the history of Velez, never said anything Abdo was the president of San Lorezno and never asked his fans to stop singing these songs. Its silly that they stop the games for this crap, because it comes from the top. You can say "Vamos a matar a todos" or "vamos a quemar la bombonera/gallinero" but they stop the game for these stupid songs. If they want to cut the racism out of the game, it needs to be cut out by the directors, DTs, players, and fans but obviously the directors don't give a damn, because they are racists themselves, much like Blatter at FIFA. I seriously doubt that Grondona sits around at night thinking "my god we need to stop these racist songs and chants, they're terrible" Everything thats bad in argentine futbol starts and ends with grondona
Good question. Probably it's wrong to disrespect any nationality, period. But I think the difference is that the disrespect towards the English is not based on racist feelings, but comes more from political factors, from the fact that England has a history of abusing Argentina since it became a nation, bullying, stealing resources, blockading the port, taking the Malvinas etc. When it comes to Bolivia and Paraguay it has to do more with racist attitudes and looking at those so called "los cabecitas negras" as if they were contemptible or inferior, so that's why in my opinion it's much more distasteful to sing the latter.
I know exactly why the chants are against bolivians and paraguayans, but you're walking a fine line here. So being from Paraguay or Bolivia is an insult, yet being English or Uruguayan isn't? As I've said before, this is a problem that is mainly societal. While they stopped the game for racist chants, the announcer Araujo calls every Uruguayan player- of which there are many, I think each team has at least one or two- el "yorugua" which may not be the worst thing in the world, but it is a fairly insulting term towards uruguayans in a similar way you'd call a bolivian a bolita... "yorugua" has become a bit affectionate over the years i suppose considering how many uruguayans have become stars and idolos in argentina, but the main announcer for the government run announcing team should not be using that term 50 times a game as he does Hell, even the referees are racist. Laverni called Gimnasia de Jujuy a bunch of bolivians There is also rampant racism amongst players. Did anyone see the Tigre vs. that random Venezuelan team last night? I saw "negro de .... " on the lips of the Tigre players more than once. And don't forget how Desabato ended up in jail in Brasil for that incident. So, if you want to criticize River fans for a lot of things go ahead, but don't single us out as racists, when quite frankly River fans are pretty tame in that regard. If it was so offensive, River wouldn't have fillials all over south america, including 2 in Bolivia and 3 in Paraguay. Now Chacarita on the other hand... The bottom line is, Argentina is a racist place, one of the most racist in the world i'd say. People are racist even when trying to be polite and friendly because they don't know any better. I think I told this story on the forum before, but I had a black friend from the US who went to Buenos Aires and everyone was super nice to him, but every time he was out at night at a bar or boliche people called him "Obama" or "Kobe" or "Tiger" which he was offended by, even though he knew the people were trying to be nice and funny.
Y ni una palabra sobre los dos caballeros Di Zeo y Martin!!!! When the doce is disbanded you can talk about songs in the meantime maybe you could start trying to sort out the murderers at the head of the "verguenza nacional"
It's one thing to talk about the fans of a club in general, but it's rather silly to specifically identify the barras bravas and especially their leaders as actual fans of Boca or any other club. Anybody with any intelligence would recognize them as the evil parasites that they are, who claim to support the clubs but instead feed on the clubs based on brute force and intimidation. They are nothing but thugs and criminals who would all be rotting in jail, if only Argentina was a normal country. I hope Martin stays in jail forever as he deserves, but knowing how our beloved country works, I'm not holding my breath.
Just for the sake of people like English Bostero who call river the "verguenza nacional" the independiente fans are singing the same songs right now, but the ref has made no mention of it and isn't going to stop the game.
On the topic of the country, can someone with more knowledge than myself explain why it's all just one big gray area? It's quite infuriating
As you said, it's a national problem. Europeans immigrated into Argentina with their prejudices and their ignorant belief that they were superior to the darker man, and sadly even until today we still haven't evolved out of it. It's no wonder people hate us.
Yes but dont you see its all part of the same thing.The Barras are tolerated everywhere as is the bad behaviour of the mass of the hinchada.Cut out the Barra and it will be easy to solve stupid racist songs
People who hate all Argentines are just as ignorant and racist/nacionalistic as the argentines who hate all bolivians, paraguayans, and peruvians. There is a HELL of a lot of crime committed by paraguayans, bolivians, and peruvians in argentina and many of them sell drugs. To ignore these facts is impossible. My cousin was in a car accident last year when she was hit by an illegal paraguayan driving a car without a liscense, tags, without insurance, and as far as i know the guy still lives in argentina. This is a minor example of what happens each day However, there are plenty of paraguayans, bolivians, etc. who come to argentina and live good lives, work, raise good kids, etc. You can't paint people by the same brush, and Argentina is not alone here When I was in Spain, I was with my girlfriend who is also argentine this catalan guy was going on a rant to us against "los sudacas" who were taking work from the spanish. Then he kind of stopped when he saw our expression and said "no no vosotros no. la mayoria de los argentinos que vive aqui tiene la ciudania europea y es buena gente. cuando digo "sudaca" hablo de los peruvianos, bolivianos, y ecuatorianos"
We are getting distracted from the purpose of this thread, which is to make fun of our descenso-challenged rivals.
